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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    Quote Originally Posted by ScummyD View Post
    And you don't have any clue what you are talking about as Atticus would not do anything about my calling a person out on their blatant BS.
    What a load of BS.

    Perhaps not you, but you are wrong here........I do know what I'm talking about. I would have been gone, especially if I had labeled his or his fellow Mod's nonsense a bunch of BS.

    But this ain't about unqualified Moderating or childish behavior, I vote we move on.
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    A cockroach is not something that should be imitated or admired.
    But..rather than watch them crawl all over your home, why not at least spray. Remember, it was your opinion we release many of these cockroaches after capture, remember?
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    What a load of BS.

    Perhaps not you, but you are wrong here........I do know what I'm talking about. I would have been gone, especially if I had labeled his or his fellow Mod's nonsense a bunch of BS.

    But this ain't about unqualified Moderating or childish behavior, I vote we move on.
    Of course you vote we move on because your assertion is baseless and a stupid thing to say.

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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    But..rather than watch them crawl all over your home, why not at least spray. Remember, it was your opinion we release many of these cockroaches after capture, remember?
    Never said otherwise. You're not really getting what's being said. And no, I'm for releasing those who are not cockroaches, but innocent people. We can't know who they are for the most part without following some rule of law. You seem to making more than a few inaccurate assumptions.

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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Imagine that. We now have a CIC that actually informs himself of all the options and ramifications of an air strike before committing. I knew he was too smart!
    Like Clinton did... ignoring the advice of his generals to smack a Sudanese pill factory and Afghani hillside! I did not mention his using these strikes, opposed by his generals, to cover for the creaking of b-Lewinsky by the way.

    Or like Bush... who got Democrats support to use force.

    I think Obi is probably dying for a smoke... or three... the world is more complicated than he thought when he was standing between those styrofoam Greek columns... thinking... All Hail Caesar... This is the time you have been waiting for...All Hail Caesar!

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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    Quote Originally Posted by ScummyD View Post
    Of course you vote we move on because your assertion is baseless and a stupid thing to say.
    Actually, a simple and unrefined "what a load of BS" would be an example of baseless and stupid. What I said was reality, you don't agree, we move on.
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    Actually, a simple and unrefined "what a load of BS" would be an example of baseless and stupid. What I said was reality, you don't agree, we move on.
    Next time just refrain from such asinine comments that have nothing at all to do with this forum and are the product of your paranoid obsessions about some modeleone on another site. Save everybody the exercise in idiocy.

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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You're not really getting what's being said.
    But I'm certain who it's said by though and JD, I've heard and read it all before, I get exactly what is being said, I'm simply proving it wrong.

    And no, I'm for releasing those who are not cockroaches, but innocent people.
    Long as the cockroach isn't armed, you release him. And even if held, you are for forwarding Constitutional rights even to those captured abroad.

    We can't know who they are for the most part without following some rule of law.
    1) "some" rule of law or written rule of law?
    2)Obama continues to imprison men abroad even expanding the Bagram prison, is he suddenly able to know who they are.
    3)There is no history of our Constitutional rights being afforded enemy combatants captured abroad. Ever. During WW2, we brought tens of thousands of prisoners from all enemy nations here to the continental US. Never were they afforded our laws.

    You seem to making more than a few inaccurate assumptions.
    For example?
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    YouTube- What the Democrats Said About Saddam Hussein - Part 1

    Just a taste, but you know full well that in 1998, and forward that demo's themselves were calling for the removal of Saddam.


    j-mac

    I know this thread has grown but I couldn't not answer. Ever heard of Operation Desert Fox? Nobody denies it happened okay. But where is the evidence of the "demo" calling for an invasion of Iraq to get rid of Saddam? "Removal of Saddam" can take many forms, mostly they were hoping that the Iraqis would rise up and then the US would provide support. Only Bush decided to invade and takeover the country.

    This is a prime example of how the extreme of both sides manipulate information to spin things their way. One of the quote in the video was actually given by Bill Clinton when he announced the bombing of Iraq in 1998. Maybe he supports the invasion itself in 2003, but when he made that speech, it was in support of the bombing. Even though he saw Saddam as a threat he chose a less extreme means of neutralizing that than the one Bush took. You may think less of Clinton for that, but to use that quote to imply he supports the 2003 invasion when he said that is simply dishonest.

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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    I don't understand the absolute ignorance into these matters people have. Perhaps it's my military background that make these things a focus while others were concerned with Monika Lewinsky/Bill Clinton escapades.

    It was later into the Clinton administration that President Clinton was trying to inform people about a man named Osama Bin Laden. Also, throughout his presidency, President Clinton had bombed Iraq 4 separate times. The last time even involved the high-and-mighty French in 1999. However, General Zinni reports in his book that in 1999 he was given targets that did not seem appropriate to WMD locations. When he asked about these targets he was told that "these are possible WMD threats."

    When he Osama Bin Laden released his justification letter after 9/11 to the American people, he stated that the "starving children of Iraq" and "western presence in the holy land" was an offense to Islam by the U.S. Was he right? I would say that it was also an offense to what we are supposed to stand for.

    By 2002, the White House, the Pentagon, and the military was fed up with our 11 year UN mission to contain a dictator that should be rotting under the ground. In 2003, we launched the mission to rid ourselves of this prick once and for all.

    Dude, to steal a quote from scummy: Read for comprehension.


    Taking out Hussein was not "essential" to the poorly named War on Terror. That was all BS for the morons who can't understand things beyond their DirectTV.

    Why not other "horrendous and more dangerous dictators?" Because other dictators weren't our twelve year mission coming to an end. What other dictator belonged to us for twelve years? What other dictator brutalized under our watchful eye for a despicable UN "food-for-oil" exchange? What other dictator invaded two neighboring countries and was a constant thorn in a region where the entire world receives oil? What other dictator was used as a justification for 9/11?

    As a bonus, we get to seed a "democracy" in the heart land of terrorist hell. Removing him (12 years late) in exchange for another dictator was not an option.

    Blah, blah, blah. Is this an illogical game you like to play? Just put sentences together and hope they make sense? So what if he's "our twelve year mission coming to an end" or "belonged to us for twelve years" (whatever the hell that means)? So we can't keep someone who "brutalized under our watchful eye for a despicable UN "food-for-oil" exchange" but we should keep someone who keep his people starved and incarcerated "under our watchful eyes", or who is involved in systemic killing "under our watchful eyes"? Or is it the "oil for food" programme that 's the problem? So one can be a dictator, but one can't be a dictator that corrupt a UN programme? Try making sense of that. And another country that "invaded two neighboring countries and was a constant thorn in a region where the entire world receives oil" would be Israel. Are you suggesting Israel should be invaded too? Which of the terrorists involved used Iraq as a justification for 9/11? And even if it was, so what? That has got to be the most irrelevant reason I've ever heard, ever. So many terrorists use Palestine and its support of Israel as a justification for attacking the US. Are you suggesting the US should invade either country?


    And that project of seeding "democracy" in the region is going well isn't it? If only there weren't corrupt government, and bombs going off every few days, everything will be so perfect, no?

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