[quote=Charles Martel;1058462038]It continues the error, but most the damage is already done. You being silly here doesn't help advance the discussion. He didn't declare the Fatwa in 98 over Iraq and no one claims he did. Believe it or not, something can already be in play and you can still affect it either positively or negatively. You can do things that help or hurt, that improve or worsen. You can be smart or stupid.Wanted us in Afghanistan...correct. Where Obama has just sent 100,000 more troops, does this 'goal' of Osama's..of wanting to hurt us, isn't Obama then falling right into Osama's hands?
Secondly...and Conservative, this is where Boo's argument disintegrates....did Bush's invasion of Iraq "remove us from Islamic lands?" Did it lessen influence on Islamic lands? How could this be a Christmas gift if he wanted us out of Iraq?
I mean his entire 1998 Fatwa declaring war against the US is about Iraq, he HATED the fact that we were in Iraq, this idea is was a Christmas gift giving them somewhere to attack us, al-Qaeda wasn't in Iraq! They already had a plethora of arenas to attack us, we were already in Iraq flying no fly zones, already in Yemen, the Gulf States, steaming in and out of the Strait of Hormuz, remember...it was our presence in the ME at all Osama was offended by, obviously al-Qaeda already had gifts to attack, both US military and embassy/civilian targets.
I did find something long ago. Not sure I want to look for it again. When I get back to my other computer, I'll see if I still have it.We were already in Iraq and...can you give us proof this was what he wanted? Do you have his writings or is this Scheuer's guess? In other words, does Osama, through words to his own or us, mention this strategy? At all?
As Afghanistan didn't work out as he hoped, it seems to have been a reasonable plan B for him.Osama also preferred we leave Iraq alone.
You have always said that Iraq was a civil war and yet in a true civil war there would have been massive killings not isolated bombings. You seem to gleefully point to Iraq casualties figures which cannot be confirmed or even verified as to civilian casualties or even if those were true civilians killed.
Nothing is going to change your mind on this issue but to continue to dwell on it today serves no purpose. Let me know when Obama pulls the troops out of Iraq, when he changes his Sec. of Defense, and when he actually changes the "Bush Doctrine" on Iraq