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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Why wouldn't a leader not talk about or potentially plan an action against a country that violated the cease fire agreement after the Gulf War and kept shooting at our planes in the no fly zone, had WMD using them on his own people?
    Read the quotes in post #48.

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    It does appear that there are a lot of naive people here that helped get us into the problem in the first place.
    True. Reagan putting Saddam in power was the start. Then Rummy and Bush I gave Saddam loans, military intelligence, and weapons (including WMD). Then Cheney insisted that it was wise to "start a small war" and pinhead Dubya agreed.


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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Read the quotes in post #48.



    True. Reagan putting Saddam in power was the start. Then Rummy and Bush I gave Saddam loans, military intelligence, and weapons (including WMD). Then Cheney insisted that it was wise to "start a small war" and pinhead Dubya agreed.

    Please seek help for your BDS. You have been brainwashed and that brainwashing makes you look foolish. Support for Saddam Hussein in the region was due to the problems we had with Iran or did you forget they took over our embassy which is an act of war?

    Reagan had nothing to do with putting Saddam Hussein in power

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein]Saddam Hussein - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

    Cheney did not insist on starting a small war nor did Bush start the war until over two years after taking office and 1 1/2 years after 9/11.

    You just cannot bring yourself to give Bush any credit at all for the aftermath of 9/11 and keeping us safe for 7 years after 9/11. That is a sickness and simply diverts from the real problems we have today. How does any of this relate to the thread topic? Typical diversion.

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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    And I gave multiple sources that say you're wrong; Bush was "doing something" about Iraq well before 9/11.
    He was not doing anything in regards to invading it. Talking about it off handedly, before 9/11 even happened, is not equivilent of going into Iraq over 9/11 or even legitimately planning Iraq right after 9/11.

    A. You're spitting all over your computer screen.
    Amazing, you can not only see THROUGH the internet, but you apparently see into an alternative dimension in which things happen differently than in reality. This is a rather impressive talent you have. Perhaps you should talk to FOX to see if they’ll make a reality show based around it.

    B. I never said anything about "invading" – that's your strawman. Please reread my comments and note that the word isn't there.
    You’re trying to build a strawman right now, so I figure you’d know what it means, but apparently you don’t.

    No, you didn’t say anything about “invading”…which was exactly my point. You disproved something I didn’t say, unless you take HALF of a sentence out of context. I was talking about invading. The person I was responding to talked about “invaiding”. THAT was the discussion. THAT was the context of my statement.

    You not saying anything about “invading” wasn’t me creating a strawman, that was the entire basis for my complaint with your pathetic attempt at “debunking” me. You “debunked” half of a sentence by taking it completely out of context due to your desire to NOT address “invading”, which is directly what I WAS addressing.

    YOU created the strawman, when you tried to prove me wrong by “proving” that Bush talked about Iraq at some nebulus point prior to invading…which I never denied, I was speaking specifically about invading which was obvious in the context and if you had addressed my entire sentence.

    Trying to semanticize your way out of it, eh?
    Not at all. Its just that you apparently are getting pissy that you and those thanking you little high-five party is being busted up due to, you know, reality and that the strawman you built up and began to wallop on was exposed as the dummy it was. Its not my fault I have to point out the context of what was said because you failed to address it at all and then immediately claimed victory…that’s yours. If you had actually dealt with what I said, instead of what you decided you had a better case against, this wouldn’t have had to happen.

    Sincerely, though, dude... exceedingly pathetic attempt. You're usually better than this.
    Thanks for the reassurance…but nothing pathetic about it. You’re just upset because you tried to “disprove” something I never claimed and are upset cause I called you on it.

    Which, looking at your time line above, isn't surprising. You're a rabid hyper partisan that can't see past "con" and has a world view completely twisted by ideology. You bag on about Reagan, Bush, Cheney, and Bush again and how horrible they are but of course mention nothing about Clinton's half assed efforts there or his policy of regime change that he put no bite behind and left his successors to deal with. You don't have the ability to judge things from an impartial position or through actual facts because you're more interested in scoring political points and attempting to land punches on the other side regardless of what you have to do to do so.

    I won't sit here and say the Bush Administration didn't make blunders with Iraq. I won't sit here and say that Bush was thinking about Iraq before he was elected. I won't even say that if 9/11 didn't happen he wouldn't have found a way to go in. I may not believe all of that is true, but I can see it being possible. What I will sit here and say though is that anyone trying to say that he immedietely drove us into war with Iraq after 9/11 instead of going after the true enemies, the Saudis, is grossly mistaken and completely factually incorrect and will argue that till kingdom come, which is what I've done here. Bush waited 2 years after 9/11 to attack Iraq. I don't care what definition you want to use, there's none that equates 2 years to almost immedietely.

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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Read the quotes in post #48.



    True. Reagan putting Saddam in power was the start. Then Rummy and Bush I gave Saddam loans, military intelligence, and weapons (including WMD). Then Cheney insisted that it was wise to "start a small war" and pinhead Dubya agreed.

    Post 48 states that two years prior to 9/11 Bush was "Talking" about invading Iraq. Now I live in TX but didn't know our national guard here was that strong and could do that without authorization from the Govt. 2 Years prior to 9/11 GW Bush was Governor of TX. Now were that true, do you honestly think it would take 2 years to make that happen after he took office?

    Post 48 also talks about the "ghostwriter" making these claims. There is no confirming evidence that any of this happened as described. Suggest you get confirmation that is a lot more current but more importantly stop diverting from the topic of this thread.

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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Read the quotes in post #48.



    True. Reagan putting Saddam in power was the start. Then Rummy and Bush I gave Saddam loans, military intelligence, and weapons (including WMD). Then Cheney insisted that it was wise to "start a small war" and pinhead Dubya agreed.

    Don't forget that Bush Jr talked about invading Iraq welllll before he stole the presidency.

    Two Years Before 9/11, Candidate Bush was Already Talking Privately About Attacking Iraq, According to His Former Ghost Writer

    Two years before the September 11 attacks, presidential candidate George W. Bush was already talking privately about the political benefits of attacking Iraq, according to his former ghost writer, who held many conversations with then-Texas Governor Bush in preparation for a planned autobiography.

    "He was thinking about invading Iraq in 1999," said author and journalist Mickey Herskowitz. "It was on his mind. He said to me: 'One of the keys to being seen as a great leader is to be seen as a commander-in-chief.' And he said, 'My father had all this political capital built up when he drove the Iraqis out of Kuwait and he wasted it.' He said, 'If I have a chance to invade�.if I had that much capital, I'm not going to waste it. I'm going to get everything passed that I want to get passed and I'm going to have a successful presidency." Herskowitz said that Bush expressed frustration at a lifetime as an underachiever in the shadow of an accomplished father. In aggressive military action, he saw the opportunity to emerge from his father's shadow. The moment, Herskowitz said, came in the wake of the September 11 attacks. "Suddenly, he's at 91 percent in the polls, and he'd barely crawled out of the bunker."

    That President Bush and his advisers had Iraq on their minds long before weapons inspectors had finished their work - and long before alleged Iraqi ties with terrorists became a central rationale for war - has been raised elsewhere, including in a book based on recollections of former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill. However, Herskowitz was in a unique position to hear Bush's unguarded and unfiltered views on Iraq, war and other matters - well before he became president.
    See: Two Years Before 9/11, Bush was Already Talking About Attacking Iraq

    THIS is "The ends justify the means" truth on why Bush and his thugs did everything they did to get us into Iraq.

    It really is just this simple.
    Thank You Barack Obama for Restoring Honor To The Presidency.
    President Obama will rank as one of our greatest presidents!

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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Don't forget that Bush Jr talked about invading Iraq welllll before he stole the presidency.


    See: Two Years Before 9/11, Bush was Already Talking About Attacking Iraq

    THIS is "The ends justify the means" truth on why Bush and his thugs did everything they did to get us into Iraq.

    It really is just this simple.
    ADK, did you ever consider writing a fiction book and marketing it to all those that have Bush Derangement Syndrome? You have a vivide imagination and an even better act of re-writing history. I am sure you enjoy getting the attention you get by posting far leftwing opinions as fact and then ignoring anything that contradicts those opinions.

    Too bad Saddam Hussein and his sons are dead as they would certainly appreciate your support.

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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    Thank you ADK for adding nothing of use and just more of your very typical and tired Bush bashing. That information was already posted, and was already irrelevant to countering the fact of how long it took Bush to INVADE Iraq, contrary to the first post by Utahbill that started this all in which he acted like Bush immedietely attacked Iraq after 9/11 rather than taking 2 years.

    The fact is you can make a lot of complaints about Bush and his Presidency. One you can't make is that he rushed into or didn't take enough time to consider entering the Iraqi conflict after 9/11, because it took TWO YEARS.

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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Lib View Post
    So...You're the president of the United States. A failed terrorist attempt just occurred. The government of the country in which the terrorist comes from is willing to work with you...It's 3 am. What do you do?
    Promise Ben Nelson that his state won't have to pay their fair share of Medicaid if that's what it takes to put slave chains on the whole country.

    Once the vote is cast and the bill signed into law, that bargain can be rescinded.

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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    If he's considering a "retaliatory" military strike against al Qaeda for what the bomber did . . .

    Then what the hell is the bomber doing sitting in the criminal justice system?

    Is it a criminal matter, or is it war?
    It's a criminal act, unless it can be shown that the Yemeni government, or the Nigerian government, or some other not-US government sponsored that fool's mission.

    Then it becomes an act of war.

    The attacks on September 11, 2001 were an act of war because they were sponsored by the Aghani government.

    It's not like this is complicated.

    Alternate Liberal Definition:

    War is evil, nothing is ever an act of war. We should have put Hitler in jail after extraditing him, and we should never have invaded Normandie. The US is the source of all evil in the world.

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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Don't forget that Bush Jr talked about invading Iraq welllll before he stole the presidency.

    Don't forget that before that Clinton made regime change in Iraq a matter of American law.

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