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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    Quote Originally Posted by ScummyD View Post
    Israel is often referred to as a Jewish state, but is not a theocracy.
    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_state]Islamic state - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

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    Nice hanging link, which I never click on. Care to explain your point?

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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    Quote Originally Posted by ScummyD View Post
    Nice hanging link, which I never click on. Care to explain your point?
    Based on the definition,Yemen is not an Islamic state. But arguing semantics is pointless, Can we at least agree it is neither a theocracy nor run by Islamists?
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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Based on the definition,Yemen is not an Islamic state. But arguing semantics is pointless, Can we at least agree it is neither a theocracy nor run by Islamists?
    I can't agree, because I don't know enough about Yemen and am not interested at this time in doing any research on it. Carry on.

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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Based on the definition,Yemen is not an Islamic state. But arguing semantics is pointless, Can we at least agree it is neither a theocracy nor run by Islamists?
    Does it matter?

    Can we agree that there are terrorist training camps there, and that those camps are legitimate targets?
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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Does it matter?

    Can we agree that there are terrorist training camps there, and that those camps are legitimate targets?
    Well yes it does matter in that if Yemen was an Islamic State then we would have legitimate reasons for distrusting them in taking out these camps themselves. The fact it isnt means that we dont.

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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    The fact that he is reacting this quickly makes me rethink his abilities.

    Not to say i will vote for him in 2012.


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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    Quote Originally Posted by ScummyD View Post
    Israel is often referred to as a Jewish state, but is not a theocracy.

    Because Jews are also ethinic group.


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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    Yemen, Republic of

    Constitution adopted 16th May 1991 and amended 29th September 1994. Article 1 declares Yemen an �Arab Islamic State�. Article 2 declares Islam official state religion. Article 3 states that �Islamic shari�a shall be the source of all legislation�.� Article 23 states that inheritance is regulated by shari�a. Article 26 states that �the family is the basis of society and its pillars are religion, custom and love of the homeland�.�� Article 31 states that women �have rights and duties, which are guaranteed and assigned by shari�a and stipulated by law�.


    Yemen is an Islamic state.

    Will Obama address the Yemen natural gas tanker that is scheduled to come to Boston Harbor?

    Menino wants to block Yemen tankers - The Boston Globe


    Mayor Thomas M. Menino said yesterday he will ask Boston’s lawyers to see whether the city can block Yemeni tankers from delivering liquefied natural gas into Boston Harbor, calling such deliveries “wrong.’’

    “We’re in extraordinary times that call for extraordinary measures to ensure the safety of our city,’’ the mayor said in an interview. “They cannot be coming into a harbor like Boston, where there is less than 50 feet between the tankers and residential areas.’’

    Menino and several other public officials said they would press for the tankers’ cargo - destined for an LNG terminal in Everett as soon as next month - to instead be unloaded away from the city, in light of the failed Christmas Day attempt by a Nigerian man, who trained in Yemen, to blow up a US airliner over Detroit.

    House Speaker Robert A. DeLeo, who had called the plan to bring in the tankers “a matter of grave concern,’’ said yesterday he would contact the state’s top public safety official - Kevin M. Burke, the secretary of the Executive Office of Public Safety - to look for ways to halt the deliveries.

    The Globe reported yesterday that shipments of liquefied natural gas from Yemen are scheduled to arrive for the first time in Boston as early as February. Coast Guard officials are reviewing the plan and said yesterday they have not yet decided whether the shipments will be allowed to enter the harbor and dock at the LNG terminal in Everett.

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    Re: Obama considering military strikes after Christmas Day aircraft plot

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Well, this is your opinion and I assume it is based on your experiences. I have another and I assure you that it is based on my experiences. Nothing we have done since 9/11 should have cost so much and most of the dead would still be alive had they done things correctly. But the path was always going to be our destination. It was only a matter of time.
    Iraq never had to be our destination. We never, ever had to invade and occupy that country. The rest I agree with. But it was foolish and only helped our enemies to invade Iraq.


    Who said we own the Middle East? Last I checked we paid trillions of dollars for oil over the last 70 or so years. And until somebody finds a way to replace oil with something else, oil is the answer to all the world's oil based needs.
    If you're willing to invade for oil, you're treating it like something you're entitled to. If I understand your comment concerning the oil, you seem to be saying it is something we have to kill for.

    Iraq hasn't hurt us. We can always come home (which we are proving to do). Afghanistan will always be across the Atlantic, which makes it more of a European problem than ours. But I don't know what you mean about punching Fay Wray instead of King Kong. I know what you are saying, but I believe you are wrong. We have beat Al-Queda to a pulp in Asia, Africa, and the Middle East. Afghanistan and Iraq is not the only battle grounds. Beyond the military deployments to address dug in areas, the CIA and local governmnents have been active too. Their banking systems have been wrecked. Aside from Saddam Hussein, how have we not addressed King Kong? Hussein was merely a 12 year pain in the ass we ended. Need I remind you that even Bin Laden mentioned our mission to maintain the dictator as a justification for 9/11? He was right about that one.

    I mean are we supposed to be Americans or Europeans? I, for one, am tired of belonging to a camp that seeks the Cold War and prior imperialisms as prescription for global order.

    What we need to get through our think skulls is that nation building is pointless and stupid. Killing our enemies does not mean that we have to stick around to take care of those who won't even take care of themselves.
    Iraq wasn't really a battleground. Not really against Al Qaeda. Most of who we fought we're Iraqis and a foreign element, small in number, who mostly had no ties to Al Qaeda or any terrorist organization prior to Iraq. So, they were just people we added to our plate that wouldn't have likely been there other wise. That alone has to hurt.

    Second, last I heard from the CIA, Al Qaeda was as strong as ever, and that Iraq had motivated many to join. Again, something that hurts more than it helps.

    Al Qaeda can't beat us anywhere. They can't win in any battle. But as you know, this means nothing. What they can do is make us look bad, hurt our credibility, bleed us. And that has been done, though mostly by Bush instead of them. I think that is what Scheuer meant by calling Iraq a Christmas gift for OBL.

    And there was never anything in Iraq but nation building. Nothing there was really any serious threat to us. All Iraq did was add problems without doing anything to fight our enemies.

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