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    US 'stopped Dutch installation of full body scanners

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    Interesting!

    Methinks the plot thickens.

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    Re: US 'stopped Dutch installation of full body scanners

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
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    Interesting!

    Methinks the plot thickens.
    Hmmm. I wonder why the Bush administration didn't want these scanners.

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    Re: US 'stopped Dutch installation of full body scanners

    The Dutch are saying that the USA did not want just USA bound passengers to be screened, the USA wanted all passengers screened.

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    Re: US 'stopped Dutch installation of full body scanners

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Hmmm. I wonder why the Bush administration didn't want these scanners.
    They say 2008. Not precisely when, but... once Obi from Nairobi took his oath, Obi's administration could have changed the policy.

    So... why did Obi from Nairobi not do anything?

    That's the question. It's his watch now... you know... he's been elected for over a year.

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    Re: US 'stopped Dutch installation of full body scanners

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Hmmm. I wonder why the Bush administration didn't want these scanners.


    My question...What in the world makes anyone think that the US could have stopped ANY country from installing anything in their own airports?

    As normal any problem that arises is the US's fault. And apparently even more precisely Bush's fault.
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    Re: US 'stopped Dutch installation of full body scanners

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post


    My question...What in the world makes anyone think that the US could have stopped ANY country from installing anything in their own airports?

    As normal any problem that arises is the US's fault. And apparently even more precisely Bush's fault.
    Because the company that makes the full body scanners is American, and the US government can and has prevented sales of technology to anyone they see fit.
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    Re: US 'stopped Dutch installation of full body scanners

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Because the company that makes the full body scanners is American, and the US government can and has prevented sales of technology to anyone they see fit.
    Do you have any examples of cases where this particular product with this technology has been prevented or is this your typical anti-American hyperbole?
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    Re: US 'stopped Dutch installation of full body scanners

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    They say 2008. Not precisely when, but... once Obi from Nairobi took his oath, Obi's administration could have changed the policy.

    So... why did Obi from Nairobi not do anything?

    That's the question. It's his watch now... you know... he's been elected for over a year.

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    That wins the award for most childish way to refer to Obama that I've seen as of yet. Congrats.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Because the company that makes the full body scanners is American, and the US government can and has prevented sales of technology to anyone they see fit.
    If you'd bothered to read the article, you would have learned that that's not even remotely accurate.
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    Re: US 'stopped Dutch installation of full body scanners

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Do you have any examples of cases where this particular product with this technology has been prevented or is this your typical anti-American hyperbole?
    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bureau_of_Industry_and_Security]Bureau of Industry and Security - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

    Many sensitive goods and technologies (for example, encryption software) require a permit from the Department of Commerce before they can be exported. To determine whether an export permit is required, an Export Control Classification Number (ECCN) is used.
    I aint saying that body scanner technology is on this "sensitive goods and technologies" list, but if it were, then this would be one way for the US to prevent the Dutch and anyone else in getting their hands on the technology since it is made by a US company. And considering the history of the Bush administration in bullying nations to do their bidding, then I would not be surprised one bit that they blocked sale because it was only to be used on US bound flights.

    Among the technologies that have been stopped by the US include encryption software made by US companies. The most well known example is PGP which the US government opened a formal investigation into for exporting illegally but no charges were ever filed. This was mostly because of the reaction of the inventor and the old term.. the cat is out of the bag.
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    Re: US 'stopped Dutch installation of full body scanners

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Bureau of Industry and Security - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    I aint saying that body scanner technology is on this "sensitive goods and technologies" list, but if it were, then this would be one way for the US to prevent the Dutch and anyone else in getting their hands on the technology since it is made by a US company. And considering the history of the Bush administration in bullying nations to do their bidding, then I would not be surprised one bit that they blocked sale because it was only to be used on US bound flights.

    Among the technologies that have been stopped by the US include encryption software made by US companies. The most well known example is PGP which the US government opened a formal investigation into for exporting illegally but no charges were ever filed. This was mostly because of the reaction of the inventor and the old term.. the cat is out of the bag.
    Just a few minutes with google would have solved this mystery:

    Detroit terror attack: delay over airport X-ray scanners 'risking lives' - Telegraph

    The Department for Transport has claimed it cannot introduce full body scanners without first getting EU approval, and said the European Commission is meeting next week to discuss the issue with member states.

    But the Tories and Lib Dems argued that EU approval is not needed where national security is an issue.

    Theresa Villiers, the Conservatives’ transport spokesman, said: “If the DfT has been caught napping on getting EU approval for trialling full body scanners, then they will have serious questions answer when Parliament returns in a few days' time.

    "EU bureaucracy should not be allowed to slow down our efforts to fully consider all the options when it comes to improving security at UK airports.”
    BBC News - Dutch press EU to adopt passenger scanners

    Privacy concerns have delayed adoption of the scanners at EU airports.

    Last month, the EU Transport Commissioner, Antonio Tajani, told Euro MPs that further testing was required to determine how such scanners might be operated.

    "It is the Commission's view that the application of imaging technology as means of security screening at airports must be optional and passengers must be given the choice between them and physical control by airport screeners," he told the European Parliament.

    He said the scanners currently in use "are demonstration means and cannot replace mandatory passenger screening through hand searches".

    In October last year MEPs passed a resolution which said body scanners "cannot be considered mere technical measures relating to aviation security, but have a serious impact on the fundamental rights of citizens".

    They asked the Commission to assess the scanners' impact on fundamental rights, health and travel costs.
    It's not the US that is preventing implementation in Europe - it's the EU.
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