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    Re: Report: Rush Limbaugh taken to Hawaii hospital

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    And for those who think those quotes make Rush a racist, I guess you would have to agree that President Obama appointed a Latina racist to the SCOTUS...
    Are you trying to derail this thread? Look you keep being a Rush lover and I will keep pointing out he is a racist jerk.
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    Re: Report: Rush Limbaugh taken to Hawaii hospital

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Truthfully, Kali, I know of no white racists who claim to have black friends... and I've known a few. In fact, white racists that I've known would never admit this.

    I do.. I know a racist white man who claims his best friend is black but he uses the N word
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    Re: Report: Rush Limbaugh taken to Hawaii hospital

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    When you present facts, let me know. Thus far you have presented red herrings and "how often do you beat your wife" logical fallacies. Maybe you are not used to someone refusing to play these little games you play. But you do this stuff, I'll call you on it.
    You refuse to answer and accuse others? You have 0 credibility in my book.

    Obama Camp Has Many Ties to Wife's Employer - washingtonpost.com

    Center executives said the initiative, on which they spent $2 million last year, could be a national model. Critics, however, describe the program as an attempt to ensure that the hospital retains only affluent patients with insurance.
    "If you put enough money into it, you could save a whole bunch of community health centers," Young said. "But to date, they haven't."

    Edward Novak, president of Chicago's Sacred Heart Hospital, declined to discuss the center's initiative in particular but dismissed as "bull" attempts to justify such programs as good for patients. "What they're really saying is, 'Don't use our emergency room because it will cost us money, and we don't want the public-aid population,' " Novak said.

    Selling the Idea

    In December 2006, the medical center hired a public relations firm, ASK Public Strategies, to help sell the Urban Health Initiative. ASK is co-owned by Axelrod, Obama's chief campaign strategist.

    ASK was selected on the recommendation of Michelle Obama, Sher and Jarrett, according to Sullivan, the hospital spokeswoman. "Axelrod has a love affair with UC, and is arguably the best in the country at public affairs," Sullivan said in an e-mail.

    ASK started work in January 2007; the next month, Barack Obama launched his campaign.

    The firm delivered its report in May 2007 saying that, while nurses were generally favorable about the Urban Health Initiative, "primary care doctors were more negative, viewing it as a break with UCMC's community commitment."

    An April 2007 draft report from the medical center's polling firm, Peter D. Hart Research Associates, said focus groups suggested that "enough latent suspicion toward the hospital and university as elitist exists to ensure that a political attack against the Urban Health Initiative as deceptive and self-serving would find fertile ground."

    While most of those surveyed expressed favorable views of the center and its program, critics complained of arrogance and a lack of empathy, the report said.

    "More than a few staff members -- particularly medical staff -- express strongly worded concern or disappointment with UCMC in its commitment to the community," the report said.

    One survey question asked for reaction to a particular criticism that had been leveled:

    "This new health initiative is not really about helping the residents of the South Side of Chicago. It is simply a way for the University of Chicago Medical Center to save money and reduce costs by serving fewer poor people without health insurance."



    University of Chicago Medical Center Is Failing Emergency Patients, Nations Emergency Physicians Say; Urge Congress to Hold Hearings on the State of Emergency Care


    The American College of Emergency Physicians (ACEP) today said the University of Chicago Medical Center is failing in its obligation to treat emergency patients, citing drastic reductions in inpatient beds for emergency patients and a recent news story about a 12-year-old boy attacked by a pit bull who was sent to another hospital for surgery. With hospital plans in place to reduce staffing and beds for emergency care even further, the chair of medicine and the chief of emergency medicine at the medical center have resigned.

    ACEP expressed grave concerns that the University of Chicago’s policy toward emergency patients is dangerously close to “patient dumping,” a practice made illegal by the Emergency Medical Labor and Treatment Act (EMTALA), and reflected an effort to “cherry pick” wealthy patients over poor.

    “The medical center is reducing emergency care access to its local community, while at the same time, opening a ‘side door’ to a ‘specialty intake area’ to provide emergency care to medical center private patients,” said
    Dr. Nick Jouriles, president of ACEP. “This is a dangerous precedent that could have catastrophic effects in poor neighborhoods across the country. Congress needs to hold hearings about the problems facing emergency patients. If other community, non-profit hospitals follow this example and shift the lion’s share of resources to its high-revenue elective patients and procedures, it will leave many emergency patients virtually out in the cold. The University of Chicago Medical Center is located in a poor neighborhood whose residents have few, if any, other options for emergency care.”

    The boy in the news - Dontae Adams - is a Medicaid patient who the hospital treated with painkillers and a tetanus shot but then refused to admit him for surgery. His mother took him on an hour-long bus ride to another hospital that admitted him and performed the face-saving surgery.

    Dr. Jouriles took issue with a statement made by medical center spokesperson John Easton that “sending Dontae into surgery too quickly would have created a risk for infection.”

    “As a physician who has treated hundreds of animal injuries, I know of no reason why early surgical intervention would increase infection risk,” said Dr. Jouriles.

    In addition, Dr. Jouriles took issue with statements made by the hospital that the Urban Health Initiative is helping patients with non-urgent care find medical homes and that the issue was about patients with non-urgent medical conditions.

    “There simply are no other health care providers willing to care for most of these patients,” said Dr. Jouriles. “Many primary care providers are simply not taking Medicare patients, let alone the uninsured or the underinsured. Most clinics don’t have same-day laboratory or X-ray resources needed to determine whether patients have emergency medical conditions. This is an abdication of the hospital’s obligation to provide care to its community and a fundamental assault on the safety net that emergency departments are intended to provide. The University of Chicago Medical Center is receiving considerable tax benefits as a non-profit hospital, with the expectation that it will provide care to its community. If other community hospitals follow suit, it will be catastrophic for the growing ranks of the poor, uninsured and underinsured, especially during this financial crisis. Access to lifesaving emergency care for all Americans is threatened.”

    According to reliable sources at the University of Chicago Medical Center, the emergency department has one of the highest rates of emergency patients leaving without being seen [10 – 15 percent with prolonged waits of more than 14 hours up to three days for an inpatient bed] and one of the highest ambulance diversion rates in Illinois. The plans being made are another step in making sure people in the local community have no access to emergency care. Only 12.1 percent of emergency patients are categorized as “non-urgent” according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

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    Re: Report: Rush Limbaugh taken to Hawaii hospital

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    You refuse to answer and accuse others? You have 0 credibility in my book.

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    Center executives said the initiative, on which they spent $2 million last year, could be a national model. Critics, however, describe the program as an attempt to ensure that the hospital retains only affluent patients with insurance.
    "If you put enough money into it, you could save a whole bunch of community health centers," Young said. "But to date, they haven't."

    Edward Novak, president of Chicago's Sacred Heart Hospital, declined to discuss the center's initiative in particular but dismissed as "bull" attempts to justify such programs as good for patients. "What they're really saying is, 'Don't use our emergency room because it will cost us money, and we don't want the public-aid population,' " Novak said.

    Selling the Idea

    In December 2006, the medical center hired a public relations firm, ASK Public Strategies, to help sell the Urban Health Initiative. ASK is co-owned by Axelrod, Obama's chief campaign strategist.

    ASK was selected on the recommendation of Michelle Obama, Sher and Jarrett, according to Sullivan, the hospital spokeswoman. "Axelrod has a love affair with UC, and is arguably the best in the country at public affairs," Sullivan said in an e-mail.

    ASK started work in January 2007; the next month, Barack Obama launched his campaign.

    The firm delivered its report in May 2007 saying that, while nurses were generally favorable about the Urban Health Initiative, "primary care doctors were more negative, viewing it as a break with UCMC's community commitment."

    An April 2007 draft report from the medical center's polling firm, Peter D. Hart Research Associates, said focus groups suggested that "enough latent suspicion toward the hospital and university as elitist exists to ensure that a political attack against the Urban Health Initiative as deceptive and self-serving would find fertile ground."

    While most of those surveyed expressed favorable views of the center and its program, critics complained of arrogance and a lack of empathy, the report said.

    "More than a few staff members -- particularly medical staff -- express strongly worded concern or disappointment with UCMC in its commitment to the community," the report said.

    One survey question asked for reaction to a particular criticism that had been leveled:

    "This new health initiative is not really about helping the residents of the South Side of Chicago. It is simply a way for the University of Chicago Medical Center to save money and reduce costs by serving fewer poor people without health insurance."



    University of Chicago Medical Center Is Failing Emergency Patients, Nations Emergency Physicians Say; Urge Congress to Hold Hearings on the State of Emergency Care


    The American College of Emergency Physicians (ACEP) today said the University of Chicago Medical Center is failing in its obligation to treat emergency patients, citing drastic reductions in inpatient beds for emergency patients and a recent news story about a 12-year-old boy attacked by a pit bull who was sent to another hospital for surgery. With hospital plans in place to reduce staffing and beds for emergency care even further, the chair of medicine and the chief of emergency medicine at the medical center have resigned.

    ACEP expressed grave concerns that the University of Chicago’s policy toward emergency patients is dangerously close to “patient dumping,” a practice made illegal by the Emergency Medical Labor and Treatment Act (EMTALA), and reflected an effort to “cherry pick” wealthy patients over poor.

    “The medical center is reducing emergency care access to its local community, while at the same time, opening a ‘side door’ to a ‘specialty intake area’ to provide emergency care to medical center private patients,” said
    Dr. Nick Jouriles, president of ACEP. “This is a dangerous precedent that could have catastrophic effects in poor neighborhoods across the country. Congress needs to hold hearings about the problems facing emergency patients. If other community, non-profit hospitals follow this example and shift the lion’s share of resources to its high-revenue elective patients and procedures, it will leave many emergency patients virtually out in the cold. The University of Chicago Medical Center is located in a poor neighborhood whose residents have few, if any, other options for emergency care.”

    The boy in the news - Dontae Adams - is a Medicaid patient who the hospital treated with painkillers and a tetanus shot but then refused to admit him for surgery. His mother took him on an hour-long bus ride to another hospital that admitted him and performed the face-saving surgery.

    Dr. Jouriles took issue with a statement made by medical center spokesperson John Easton that “sending Dontae into surgery too quickly would have created a risk for infection.”

    “As a physician who has treated hundreds of animal injuries, I know of no reason why early surgical intervention would increase infection risk,” said Dr. Jouriles.

    In addition, Dr. Jouriles took issue with statements made by the hospital that the Urban Health Initiative is helping patients with non-urgent care find medical homes and that the issue was about patients with non-urgent medical conditions.

    “There simply are no other health care providers willing to care for most of these patients,” said Dr. Jouriles. “Many primary care providers are simply not taking Medicare patients, let alone the uninsured or the underinsured. Most clinics don’t have same-day laboratory or X-ray resources needed to determine whether patients have emergency medical conditions. This is an abdication of the hospital’s obligation to provide care to its community and a fundamental assault on the safety net that emergency departments are intended to provide. The University of Chicago Medical Center is receiving considerable tax benefits as a non-profit hospital, with the expectation that it will provide care to its community. If other community hospitals follow suit, it will be catastrophic for the growing ranks of the poor, uninsured and underinsured, especially during this financial crisis. Access to lifesaving emergency care for all Americans is threatened.”

    According to reliable sources at the University of Chicago Medical Center, the emergency department has one of the highest rates of emergency patients leaving without being seen [10 – 15 percent with prolonged waits of more than 14 hours up to three days for an inpatient bed] and one of the highest ambulance diversion rates in Illinois. The plans being made are another step in making sure people in the local community have no access to emergency care. Only 12.1 percent of emergency patients are categorized as “non-urgent” according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
    And what did you prove here? Nothing. Cherry picking. Let me take a quote from the article above and repost it:

    While most of those surveyed expressed favorable views of the center and its program
    Now, what I see is evidence of a hospital, because of health care issue, being forced to cut expenses. What I see is a program being developed that moves non- emergency patients out of the emergency room, and pushes these patients to find PCP's a far more cost effective effort. I haven't read the information on this program in a bit and don't remember all the particulars when I debated it last. But what I remember was that it was an excellent example of a hospital using an innovative way to treat patients, and an excellent way for partisan hack conservatives to spin something in which to attack Obama.

    Further, the practice of some hospitals refusing to admit Medicaid or charity cases is common practice; standard policy is to transfer them to the county's community health center, usually one hospital in that county designated as such. That's how it works in my state, and my guess in Illinois too.

    So, now that I've explained this all to you, I hope you have a better understand of why you've misrepresented, conveniently left things out, and committed the complex question logical fallacy. If you're going to come at me, your going to have to do better than this.
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    Re: Report: Rush Limbaugh taken to Hawaii hospital

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Umm. Did you even bother to click on their links to the sources? It is all true and factual. You can deny it til you are blue in the face but I think my work is done in this thread. I proved my point and all you can do is defend this scumbag.
    1. Link to a source I don't particularly trust, and even if it were, there is ABSOLUTELY NO CONTEXT for the quote. I can only judge if it is racist or not based on the context of the quote. Another user has also questioned the legitimacy of the quote -- though again, without a link, I can't comment on that.

    2. That was absolutely ACCURATE. Or, is it racist to be accurate? Is it racist to point out the FACT that the Communists were ACTIVE SUPPORTERS of the ANC!

    3. Context? Not given.

    4. Same source as 1 and with no context.

    5. I think these leftist sites all share the same quotes. Regardless, again, absolutely no context...

    Frankly, I could go on, but I won't. Provide the context from REPUTABLE sites, and then we can have a discussion. Other than that, you can spout your OPINION -- we all do, and I will defend that right -- but please don't claim that it is anywheres NEAR FACT, because it isn't...
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    Re: Report: Rush Limbaugh taken to Hawaii hospital

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    I gave you facts. You can lead a horse to water. You teach your students THAT?
    What facts --- oh, your OPINION is now FACT?!?!? I guess this is the liberal world affecting you a little too much.
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    Re: Report: Rush Limbaugh taken to Hawaii hospital

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    You are dismissed because you cannot seem to take your Rush Blinders off enough to see what I clearly put in front of ya. Keep those glasses on.
    Here's the kicker. As I said earlier in this thread, I am not a Rush fan nor have I listened to him in more than a decade. Regardless, that doesn't mean you can spout your filth and not expect to get called on it. I am not the one with blinders on -- it is YOU who are wearing your hate filled blinders. Once again, those are not FACTS, those are snippets without context -- one of which has been challenged by another user and another is demonstrably TRUE rather than racist. Are you going to give us the two that were shown to be absolutely FAKED last year to boot?
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    Re: Report: Rush Limbaugh taken to Hawaii hospital

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Are you trying to derail this thread? Look you keep being a Rush lover and I will keep pointing out he is a racist jerk.
    You are operating under two false premises.

    1. That I am a Rush lover.
    2. That unattributed quotes that are mere snippets without context actually carry weight with anyone who actually thinks with their own brain about what goes on around them.
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    Re: Report: Rush Limbaugh taken to Hawaii hospital

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    I do.. I know a racist white man who claims his best friend is black but he uses the N word
    So, in your OPINION, he is racist. Thank you for letting us know this.
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    Re: Report: Rush Limbaugh taken to Hawaii hospital

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    I do.. I know a racist white man who claims his best friend is black but he uses the N word
    Who can argue with a research project using one man you know? I'm with you on this one.
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