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    Re: British man said to be mentally ill executed in China

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    iran and singapore have more executions per capita than china
    You wanna get rid of the drug menance? Then execute those mother****kers.

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    Re: British man said to be mentally ill executed in China

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    No, we give them a US constitutional right to a fair trial. This "universal human right" has nothing to do with how we run our country or how we treat the accused. Everything we do is or supposed to do is based on the US constitution and American laws.
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    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights]Universal Declaration of Human Rights - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

    Article 10
    Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.
    A person has a right to a fair trial here or in any country of the world. To believe that the founding fathers put such a right in the constitution like it was some revolutionary thought they had is rather silly.
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    Re: British man said to be mentally ill executed in China

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I do not care if the criminal mentally compregended their actions it does not change the fact they commited the crime. Justice and the victims of crime should not be disregarded because some fucken degenerate piece of shit quack says the accused is insane. The accused mental condition should have nothing to do with whether or not the accused is found guilty and how the accused is punished.

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    I do not care about laws outside my nation. They should never have anything to do with laws in my country. We can say hey thats a good idea for a law in this country and petition our elected officials to make a law similar to that in some other country, but still no judge in this country should base his ruling or even read up on cases or laws from another country.



    The whole insanity defense was so scumbag lawyers can try to get their client off the hook when they know for a fact their client is guilty and some rat in a robe and dumbass jury bought it. It is also something used by scumbag sympathizers to get their panties in a bunch to try to help scumbags weasel out of their punishment. If that drug smuggler was only sentenced to prison in China I guarantee that nobody would give a **** about the accused allegedly having bipolar or some other mental illness.

    I understand that scumbag's family trying to claim what ever they can to get him off the hook, nobody wants to see a loved one go to prison or be executed.
    The accused mental capacity has always played an important role in whether or not they are guilty or have reduced culpability for the crime. This is why we have a large volume of jurisprudence relating to mens rae and/or mental illness.

    Err, no the insanity defence was not invented so that scumbag lawyers could get their client off the hook. It may be that in today's world, some lawyers attempt to do this, but in contrast the MacNaughten rules, and other jurisprudence were developed to deal with the issue of mental illness. If you don't agree with the need to demonstrate mens rae, then obviously you have no interest in your own countries' jurisprudence and the common law's notion of justice.

    Secondly, even if he had not been killed, the issue of mental illness is still important. However, when the accused may face the death penalty, then the issue of mental illness becomes paramount.
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    Re: British man said to be mentally ill executed in China

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    You wanna get rid of the drug menance? Then execute those mother****kers.
    So you kill the suppliers while ignoring demand?.......

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    Re: British man said to be mentally ill executed in China

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I could care less if someone claims to be mentally ill. It doesn't the fact they committed the crime.
    You are incorrect.

    If a person commits a crime, and they are mentally ill, if the illness from which they suffer alters their mental state to the point where they are not in control of their actions, in the United States of America, they are not accountable for those actions.

    Likewise, if a mentally ill person, who is vulnerable to suggestion, is taken advantage of by others, he or she is not responsible for the outcome of his or her actions.

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    Re: British man said to be mentally ill executed in China

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    You are incorrect.

    If a person commits a crime, and they are mentally ill, if the illness from which they suffer alters their mental state to the point where they are not in control of their actions, in the United States of America, they are not accountable for those actions.

    Likewise, if a mentally ill person, who is vulnerable to suggestion, is taken advantage of by others, he or she is not responsible for the outcome of his or her actions.
    That is precisely what I tried to convey sometime ago. This applies in the UK and all civilized countries. Well put Vlad

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    Re: British man said to be mentally ill executed in China

    And yet ... China wonders why the rest of the world dislikes them.

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    Re: British man said to be mentally ill executed in China

    Quote Originally Posted by B L Zeebub View Post
    That is precisely what I tried to convey sometime ago. This applies in the UK and all civilized countries. Well put Vlad
    Thanks.


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    Re: British man said to be mentally ill executed in China

    Quote Originally Posted by Australianlibertarian View Post
    So you kill the suppliers while ignoring demand?.......
    This is not economics where supply and demand factors come into play. Those deprived of drugs go through a rehabilitation program.

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    Re: British man said to be mentally ill executed in China

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    well China excuted this person and what did England do to stop this nothing, yea they stomp there feet and cried like all politition do but in the end England nor any other County in the World wasn't going to do anything do to the fact of global trade.

    way to cave in England what you should have done was march over tot eh Chinese Embasy place everyone under arrest and inform China that they have two choice.

    Choice #1 Release this person to an UK official and we will release you Embasy

    Choice #2 If you do excute this person then we will excute your Ambasador and declare a state of War.

    But then again in this day and age none of this would happen.
    Wow, that's a horrendous idea. Thank God we keep people like you from being in charge.
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