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    Re: British man said to be mentally ill executed in China

    Quote Originally Posted by Australianlibertarian View Post
    It is not an idiotic notion....

    The U.S jurisprudence has developed a great deal of jurisprudence relating to criminal culpability since the important British case of MacNaughten. To be guilty of a crime a person must have committed both the physical and mental element of the crime. Thus mental illeness, raises real issues as to whether the accused mentally comprehended their actions.
    Once more we need to learn the difference between mental illness and retardation here. How does a mood disorder prevent someone from comprehending their actions?

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    Re: British man said to be mentally ill executed in China

    It may or may not. That is a question of fact, and expert opinion. Generally personality disorders are not considered as mental illness under the MacNaughten rules. However, if there was evidence to suggest that the accused due to their condition did not understand the nature of the crime, they may or may not fall under the MacNaughten rules. Some jurisdictions place illness such as sleep apnea induced crimes under the mens rae.

    Either way, there are real issues about whether the accused had the mental capability to understand the nature of their actions, when they committed the crime.
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    Re: British man said to be mentally ill executed in China

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
    Portugal is I believe the first country to take a pragmatic view of drug addicts.
    It is no longer illegal to hold small quantities of previously illegal drugs.
    Portugal treats the addicts as opposed to other countries who treat addicts as criminals.
    Portugal continues to locate drug smugglers and treats them harshly when found.

    Unfortunately there is no death penalty within the EU.
    Let me correct your thinking.

    Portugal taxes its productive citezens to "treat" the drug-addled human parasites that it authorizes by it's flaccid social policy. It would be more efficient simply to allow drug addicts to simply rob working people at gunpoint.
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    Re: British man said to be mentally ill executed in China

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    Let me correct your thinking.

    Portugal taxes its productive citezens to "treat" the drug-addled human parasites that it authorizes by it's flaccid social policy. It would be more efficient simply to allow drug addicts to simply rob working people at gunpoint.
    It's not his thinking that is flawed. Portugal has markedly lower levels of gun crime than other developed nations, which rather blows your partisan assumption out of the water.
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    Re: British man said to be mentally ill executed in China

    Quote Originally Posted by Plato View Post
    I go to China a lot; it is not a third world country.

    Have you ever been to a third world country?
    Most of China is a Third World country. I have lived there and travelled extensively in the country.
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    Re: British man said to be mentally ill executed in China

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    We don't execute smugglers. We give them the universal human right to a fair trial. Then we send them to jail. And when they get out? Back to Me-Ji-Ko.
    No, we give them a US constitutional right to a fair trial. This "universal human right" has nothing to do with how we run our country or how we treat the accused. Everything we do is or supposed to do is based on the US constitution and American laws.
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    Re: British man said to be mentally ill executed in China

    Quote Originally Posted by Australianlibertarian View Post
    It is not an idiotic notion....

    The U.S jurisprudence has developed a great deal of jurisprudence relating to criminal culpability since the important British case of MacNaughten. To be guilty of a crime a person must have committed both the physical and mental element of the crime. Thus mental illeness, raises real issues as to whether the accused mentally comprehended their actions.
    I do not care if the criminal mentally compregended their actions it does not change the fact they commited the crime. Justice and the victims of crime should not be disregarded because some fucken degenerate piece of shit quack says the accused is insane. The accused mental condition should have nothing to do with whether or not the accused is found guilty and how the accused is punished.

    Consequently, your notion that mental illness is irrelevant, demonstrates your lack of knowledge of the rich common law jurisprudence that has developed in your nation and fellow common law nations.
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    I do not care about laws outside my nation. They should never have anything to do with laws in my country. We can say hey thats a good idea for a law in this country and petition our elected officials to make a law similar to that in some other country, but still no judge in this country should base his ruling or even read up on cases or laws from another country.

    and let me tell you, even textualists see the importance of the MacNaughten rules..... But maybe I'm wrong, maybe the legal profession in all it wisdom has no f*cking clue, and maybe we should abrogate mens rae as soon as the crime involves drugs. Absolute liability and the death penalty for drug smuggling...
    The whole insanity defense was so scumbag lawyers can try to get their client off the hook when they know for a fact their client is guilty and some rat in a robe and dumbass jury bought it. It is also something used by scumbag sympathizers to get their panties in a bunch to try to help scumbags weasel out of their punishment. If that drug smuggler was only sentenced to prison in China I guarantee that nobody would give a **** about the accused allegedly having bipolar or some other mental illness.

    I understand that scumbag's family trying to claim what ever they can to get him off the hook, nobody wants to see a loved one go to prison or be executed.
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    Re: British man said to be mentally ill executed in China

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    It's not his thinking that is flawed. Portugal has markedly lower levels of gun crime than other developed nations, which rather blows your partisan assumption out of the water.
    You are of course incorrect and inaccurate. The Government is commiting the theft in the form of taxation, and of course like all governments, they enforce their will with military and police firearms.

    You also offer the rather quaint misconception that violent crime is only violent if committed with a firearms. This would be great comfort to those accosted with knives.

    Finally, I always find it charming that so many people simply assume that the statistics offered up by countries are completely genuine, honest, precise and unadulterated.
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    Re: British man said to be mentally ill executed in China

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    You are of course incorrect and inaccurate. The Government is commiting the theft in the form of taxation, and of course like all governments, they enforce their will with military and police firearms.
    Then vote out the people responsible. That's democracy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    Finally, I always find it charming that so many people simply assume that the statistics offered up by countries are completely genuine, honest, precise and unadulterated.
    Governments in the democratic world use statistics and studies whose sources are traceable and thus can be subjected to criticism. That's democracy.

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    Re: British man said to be mentally ill executed in China

    I'm against capitol punishment and I'm for legalization of drugs, but to say that someone isn't responsible for their actions because they have bipolar disorder is downright hilarious. There's mental illness and then there's mental illness. Some people are really crazy, but bipolar disorder?!! C'mon. Can I kill anyone I want to if I have a fear of heights?
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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