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    Re: Father of Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab, Nigerian terror suspect in Flight 253 attac

    After this terror attack it is clear that profiling is needed.

    Anyone with a Muslim name such as "Muhommed" or "Hussein" should not be allowed to fly.

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    Re: Father of Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab, Nigerian terror suspect in Flight 253 attac

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    After this terror attack it is clear that profiling is needed.

    Anyone with a Muslim name such as "Muhommed" or "Hussein" should not be allowed to fly.
    No offense, but that's stupid.

    Name Profiling is probably the worst idea I have ever read on this forum.
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    Re: Father of Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab, Nigerian terror suspect in Flight 253 attac

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
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    Father of Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab, Nigerian terror suspect in Flight 253 attack, warned U.S.

    I agree with the father. Why was this guy even allowed to fly to the USA?
    Other reports are comming out that U.S. officials have known that Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab was suspected of having terrorist ties. WTF!

    Official: U.S. Knew for 2 Years of Plane Attack Suspect's Terror Ties - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com

    The biggest question is

    Why do we miss the signs?

    We did with 9/11, We did it with Fort Hood, We did it with London and Madrid, and Mumbai...

    There are signs, but I think the Presidency is taking National Security harvesting (for legitimacy) over actual National Security.
    "I do not underestimate the ability of fanatical groups of terrorists to kill and destroy, but they do not threaten the life of the nation. Whether we would survive Hitler hung in the balance, but there is no doubt that we shall survive al-Qa'ida." -- Lord Hoffmann

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    Re: Father of Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab, Nigerian terror suspect in Flight 253 attac

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    No offense, but that's stupid.

    Name Profiling is probably the worst idea I have ever read on this forum.
    All aspects of profiling should be used to detect terrorists. Name, race, nationality, dress, religion, etc.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Father of Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab, Nigerian terror suspect in Flight 253 attac

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    The biggest question is

    Why do we miss the signs?

    We did with 9/11, We did it with Fort Hood, We did it with London and Madrid, and Mumbai...

    There are signs, but I think the Presidency is taking National Security harvesting (for legitimacy) over actual National Security.
    That's easy. We don't profile potential terrorists.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Father of Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab, Nigerian terror suspect in Flight 253 attac

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    All aspects of profiling should be used to detect terrorists. Name, race, nationality, dress, religion, etc.
    That allows a terrorist to be any Name, race, nationality, dress, and religion. They may even be the fabric of your garments. I'd rather not give the FED that power.

    To arrest any and everyone because they having a name, a race, a nationality, a dress, and a religion.


    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's easy. We don't profile potential terrorists.
    Thought Criminals?

    Brilliant.
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    Re: Father of Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab, Nigerian terror suspect in Flight 253 attac

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    All aspects of profiling should be used to detect terrorists. Name, race, nationality, dress, religion, etc.
    Those criteria are what you come up with when you think "all" aspects of profiling?

    If you want to do it that way, how about we just don't let males fly. Nearly 100% of terrorist attacks are committed by men.

    I consider gender as meaningful a marker as anything you listed above. (Read: not very.)
    Eschew obfuscation, espouse elucidation.

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    Re: Father of Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab, Nigerian terror suspect in Flight 253 attac

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    That allows a terrorist to be any Name, race, nationality, dress, and religion. They may even be the fabric of your garments. I'd rather not give the FED that power.

    To arrest any and everyone because they having a name, a race, a nationality, a dress, and a religion.
    What do you suggest we do? Install mind reading machines at the gate?

    No one's talking about arresting anyone. I'm only suggesting that people who fit acertain profile be looked at alot closer.

    Hasan displayed plenty of warning signs. But, everyone is so damn afraid of being labeled a racist, that no one had the guts to say anything.
    Last edited by apdst; 12-26-09 at 05:18 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Father of Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab, Nigerian terror suspect in Flight 253 attac

    Quote Originally Posted by MsRetro View Post
    Those criteria are what you come up with when you think "all" aspects of profiling?
    No, those are just a few. Notice I put, "etc.", at the end?

    If you want to do it that way, how about we just don't let males fly. Nearly 100% of terrorist attacks are committed by men.
    Yes, males who fit the other criteria. You're correct.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Father of Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab, Nigerian terror suspect in Flight 253 attac

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, those are just a few. Notice I put, "etc.", at the end?



    Yes, males who fit the other criteria. You're correct.
    Then why not start with more meaningful criteria, such as associations with terrorist groups, attendance at mosques that have been flagged as having terrorist associations, or having moved from one country to another?

    I find the criteria you jump for first nothing short of useless.
    Eschew obfuscation, espouse elucidation.

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