Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

Don't you mean Muslims instead of Arab? The Sudanese aren't Arab.

obama attempted to clarify from waikiki today the idiotic assessments he drew yesterday

instead of talking of "suspects" and "criminal attempts" and "isolated extremists," today the obtuse one stumbled nearer reality

as usual, he's last to see

"systemic breakdown" is today's byword

a "catastrophic breach of security," warns the NEW obama

"totally unacceptable," thundered he, visibly "angered"

it turns out obama was FORCED by internal events to PIVOT

the cia has been following mr farouk since august

the cia says it forwarded its concerns to the national counterterrorism center

far from being an "isolated extremist," it turns out mr farouk was acting in concert with aq

aq in yemen is currently being led by former gitmo detainees who have been released

mr farouk was in contact with mr alaqi, the holy man who ministered to hasan, the fort hood hitman

obama always puts the most innocent spin on these kinds of stories

he refuses to look at or examine in any way the international jihad

how can you fight a war on terror without recognizing the enemy?

he's utterly incoherent

but there are patterns in his thinking and behavior that everybody's coming to see

the pivots

the throwing the cia and secret service under his golf cart

the over-rosey assessments that all went swell

the unpreparedness and incompetence

there are currently 80 yemenis in gitmo

holder testifying before senate can't answer simple questions about moving ksm to manhattan

obama's reaction in june to the street protests in iran---we must not be seen as interfering

from ap:

Obama: US intel had info ahead of airliner attack

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independent_thinker2002 said:

Don't you mean Muslims instead of Arab? The Sudanese aren't Arab.

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Nope. I mean Sunni Arab (loyalist). Consider this...

The ICC issued an arrest warrant for al-Bashir on 4 March 2009. He is the first sitting head of state ever indicted by the ICC. The court's decision is opposed by the African Union, League of Arab States, Non-Aligned Movement, and the governments of Russia and China.

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Now, would the Arab League care if Bashir was a Shia or a Kurd? The Arab League has a long record of ignoring non-Sunni Arab aligned nations. Hell, the biggest reason they wanted Hussein preserved was his tribal affiliation. Iraq is historically of long time importance to Islam. And the Caliphs that resided in Baghdad were Sunni. Now it's Shia territory. But that's off topic a bit...

There are more "coincidences." For one, he invited Osama Bin Laden into his country and provided Al-Queda a home. Second, he allied with Hassan al-Turabi in order to legitimize Sharia, which evolved through the Sunni Arab tribe. Under Sharia, his victims were non-Arab Muslims and Christians...but still Muslims. If only the Arab League were a Muslim League. Hassan al-Turabi also happens to had been the leader of the National Islamic Front, which was formerly known as the Muslim Brotherhood, after the Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt. The "NIF" also tried to position itself as the world's leading Sunni Islamist organization.

Bashir is as much a Sunni Arab as Bin Laden and the rest of them.

MSgt said:

And who's idea of Islam do they seek to covet? Sunni Arabism. The same garbage that slaughters non-Sunni Arabs in Sudan and non-Sunni Arabs in Iraq. The same garbage that preaches violence in literally thousands of Sunni Arab sponsered Madrasas between Cairo and Islamabad and in Europe.

Bashir = Sunni Arab
Hussein = Sunni Arab
Al-Queda = Sunni Arabs
House of Saud = Sunni Arabs
Qutb = Sunni Arab
Muslim Brotherhood = Sunni Arabs
Wahhabi = Sunni Arab

Etcetera.

The Sunni Arab is the great oppressor and brutalizer of the Middle East. There is a clear pattern. They are fond of talking about western imperialism and we ourselves love to self flagilate, but Sunni Arabs have been masters of imperializing their own into tribal allegiance long before The Ottoman Empire rolled across Europe.




Don't confuse what I stated as an absolute. What occurs between Pakistan and India is border instigated. India's attackers is India's problem to settle. They want our help, fine. But our problem is the Sunni Arab across the region and their fanatic base.

Marines in the Philippines since 9/11 have fought Sunni Arab loyalists. In Chad, Somalia, and Ethiopia? Sunni Arab loyalists. The sooner we start looking at them as one Islamic nation and then as separate tribes, the better it will be because it means we will finally look at their world through their eyes. The vast majority of all Muslims are unwittingly victims of forced loyalty towards a the Sunni Arabic tribe rather than God.

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Informative post. All answers are basically simple ones, and you've stated the problem very clearly here.

What is the solution?

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See, I can make arrows too, and mine are more accurate.

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See, I can make arrows too, and mine are more accurate.

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Not particularly. If I remember correctly napolitano correctly identified the real terrorists earlier this year, the american people who don't self-identify as progressives.


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DHS Domestic Terror Report Angers Conservatives, Veterans
Wednesday, 15 Apr 2009 07:53 PM Article Font Size
By: Dave Eberhart


A Homeland Security analysis being distributed to law enforcement agencies and warning of a new era of domestic terrorism has provoked a storm of criticism among conservatives who view it as a thinly veiled attack on Republicans by the Obama administration.
The report concludes that a new wave of homegrown terror has been spawned by the election of the nation’s first black president and anger over unemployment, rising poverty and illegal immigration. It singles out returning war veterans as a potential recruiting base for the extremists.

Entitled “Right-Wing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment,” the report has been confirmed as real by DHS chief Janet Napolitano. However, her department has not explained why they’ve never produced a report looking at the violent political left in America.
Perhaps the most vitriolic attack on the report thus far comes from conservative syndicated columnist, author, and Fox News Channel contributor Michelle Malkin:

“I have covered DHS for many years and am quite familiar with past assessments they and the FBI have done on animal rights terrorists and environmental terrorists.

“But those past reports have always been very specific in identifying the exact groups, causes, and targets of domestic terrorism … who have engaged in physical harassment, arson, vandalism, and worse against pharmaceutical companies, farms, labs, and university researchers.

“By contrast, the piece of crap report issued on April 7 is a sweeping indictment of conservatives,” Malkin concluded.

Capitol Hill Chimes In

Meanwhile, according to the Associated Press, House Republican leader John Boehner has described the report as offensive and called on the agency to apologize to veterans.

“To characterize men and women returning home after defending our country as potential terrorists is offensive and unacceptable,” said Boehner, R-Ohio.

Equally unhappy with the report’s take on the vulnerability of returning servicemen and women to being swept up into local terror cells is the top man in the American Legion.

In a scathing letter to Napolitano, David K. Rehbein, an Army veteran and national commander of the American Legion lambasted the report:

“The best that I can say about your recent report is that it is incomplete. The report states, without any statistical evidence, ‘The possible passage of new restrictions on firearms and the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks.’.......

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j-mac said:

I think anyone who points out the truth about this President, or his administration is, in the eyes of the true followers.


j-mac

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Truth, or partisan hackery of the worst kind? Let me see here:

1) An incident revealed gaping holes in airline security.

2) The president was on vacation when it happened.

3) The bomber was connected to al-Queda.

4) The White House issued a statement, saying that the president had been briefed.

Yup, looks very similar. This was the Richard Reid incident, in which a terrorist attempted to blow up a plane with the exact same chemical in his shoes that this terrorist had in his underwear. This happened during the Bush administration.

And now, for some differences:

1) Obama took time out from his vacation immediately to respond. Bush stayed on vacation.

2) Obama responded with a statement immediately. Bush made no statement for 6 days.

3) Democrats did not criticize Bush over the reid incident, or attempt to turn this into a political issue. Republicans are criticizing Obama for this incident, and attempting to turn it into a political issue.

That the Republican party would attempt to turn what could have been a national tragedy into political fodder is absolutely sickening, disgusting, and unamerican. The Old Soviet Union would have been proud of them. The Party of Whiners has once again shown why they are regarded as the Party of Whiners. Perhaps they need to seek a more fulfilling job than the ones they have. I hear that Pravda has a few openings.

From this article.

danarhea said:

Truth, or partisan hackery of the worst kind? Let me see here:

1) An incident revealed gaping holes in airline security.

2) The president was on vacation when it happened.

3) The bomber was connected to al-Queda.

4) The White House issued a statement, saying that the president had been briefed.

Yup, looks very similar. This was the Richard Reid incident, in which a terrorist attempted to blow up a plane with the exact same chemical in his shoes that this terrorist had in his underwear. This happened during the Bush administration.

And now, for some differences:

1) Obama took time out from his vacation immediately to respond. Bush stayed on vacation.

2) Obama responded with a statement immediately. Bush made no statement for 6 days.

3) Democrats did not criticize Bush over the reid incident, or attempt to turn this into a political issue. Republicans are criticizing Obama for this incident, and attempting to turn it into a political issue.

That the Republican party would attempt to turn what could have been a national tragedy into political fodder is absolutely sickening, disgusting, and unamerican. The Old Soviet Union would have been proud of them. The Party of Whiners has once again shown why they are regarded as the Party of Whiners. Perhaps they need to seek a better job than the ones they have. I hear that Pravda has a few openings.

From this article.

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You forgot to mention obama told us this was a lone individual. Perhaps he should have waited untill he actually knew what was happening. That would not include a conference with napolitano as she's just as clueless now as she always was. I watched the news conference whereby she told a nervious nation "airport security is working just fine." :shock:

BTW isn't obama still out golfing? If I remember correctly bush gave up golfing during the war. Seems he felt it was inapropriate for a wartime president.

danarhea said:

Truth, or partisan hackery of the worst kind? Let me see here:

1) An incident revealed gaping holes in airline security.

2) The president was on vacation when it happened.

3) The bomber was connected to al-Queda.

4) The White House issued a statement, saying that the president had been briefed.

Yup, looks very similar. This was the Richard Reid incident, in which a terrorist attempted to blow up a plane with the exact same chemical in his shoes that this terrorist had in his underwear. This happened during the Bush administration.

And now, for some differences:

1) Obama took time out from his vacation immediately to respond. Bush stayed on vacation.

2) Obama responded with a statement immediately. Bush made no statement for 6 days.

3) Democrats did not criticize Bush over the reid incident, or attempt to turn this into a political issue. Republicans are criticizing Obama for this incident, and attempting to turn it into a political issue.

That the Republican party would attempt to turn what could have been a national tragedy into political fodder is absolutely sickening, disgusting, and unamerican. The Old Soviet Union would have been proud of them. The Party of Whiners has once again shown why they are regarded as the Party of Whiners. Perhaps they need to seek a more fulfilling job than the ones they have. I hear that Pravda has a few openings.

From this article.

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Wow, :shock: article. King and Hoekstra appear to be spinning like mad, trying to explain the differences in response to Bush and response to Obama.

I haven't been paying too much attention to news in the last week or so. I didn't realize that Republicans were using this as a political attack. That is very disheartening, IMO.

Dutch said:

You forgot to mention obama told us this was a lone individual. Perhaps he should have waited untill he actually knew what was happening. That would not include a conference with napolitano as she's just as clueless now as she always was. I watched the news conference whereby she told a nervious nation "airport security is working just fine." :shock:

BTW isn't obama still out golfing? If I remember correctly bush gave up golfing during the war. Seems he felt it was inapropriate for a wartime president.

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You remember incorrectly, Bush did not give up golfing. He did SAY he was doing that. But, you know, he lied.

I can't believe you continued the partisan attack on Obama's response after Dana posted that politico article. Holy. Flipping. Wow.

MSgt said:

And who's idea of Islam do they seek to covet? Sunni Arabism. The same garbage that slaughters non-Sunni Arabs in Sudan and non-Sunni Arabs in Iraq. The same garbage that preaches violence in literally thousands of Sunni Arab sponsered Madrasas between Cairo and Islamabad and in Europe.

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There's no doubt that Arabs under the flag of Sunni Islam produce some of the most lethal groups we've had to face since the end of the Cold War.

Bashir = Sunni Arab
Hussein = Sunni Arab
Al-Queda = Sunni Arabs
House of Saud = Sunni Arabs
Qutb = Sunni Arab
Muslim Brotherhood = Sunni Arabs
Wahhabi = Sunni Arab

Etcetera.

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This is a true list. I will explain my problems with such a list at the end of your post.

The Sunni Arab is the great oppressor and brutalizer of the Middle East. There is a clear pattern. They are fond of talking about western imperialism and we ourselves love to self flagilate, but Sunni Arabs have been masters of imperializing their own into tribal allegiance long before The Ottoman Empire rolled across Europe.

Don't confuse what I stated as an absolute. What occurs between Pakistan and India is border instigated. India's attackers is India's problem to settle. They want our help, fine. But our problem is the Sunni Arab across the region and their fanatic base.

Marines in the Philippines since 9/11 have fought Sunni Arab loyalists. In Chad, Somalia, and Ethiopia? Sunni Arab loyalists. The sooner we start looking at them as one Islamic nation and then as separate tribes, the better it will be because it means we will finally look at their world through their eyes. The vast majority of all Muslims are unwittingly victims of forced loyalty towards a the Sunni Arabic tribe rather than God.

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Spanning the term Sunni Arab loyalists to include Ethiopia, Chad, Somalia, and the Philippines suggests that these militants are banded together under Sunni Islam, and that they reject their selfish desires. I believe this is a fallacy in an analysis of Islamic Extremism.

Qutbism and Wahab are different ideologues, yes both have the basis of Sunni Islam and both influence Radical Jihadis, but foundations don't always determine a similar structure. Lets not forget that Qutbs entire premise is validated thru his personal impression of Western society.

al-Bashir and al-Turabi were together out of necessity; Bashir did not fancy Turabi's affinity for the Islamic Theorists/Jihadists and thought that their benefits were to support themselves and not the Sunni Arabs fleeing from the Middle East (Usama and Crew).

al-Qa'ida kills regardless of adversary. Their entire rhetoric is one part anti-colonialism, one part anti-zionism, and one part jihadi. Yet, as we saw in August 2009, al-Qa'ida targets Hamas when it benefits their calling. Put a Sunni Arab voice against al-Qa'ida and you will see that Sunni Arab voice destroyed, brutally.

Huessin (I believe you are talking about Saddam) was a secular leader. He applied the Takbir to the Iraqi flag, so people could not burn the flag; a pure secular leader who used religion to captivate the masses.

I am not saying you are wrong, the Master Sarg. formerly known as Gunny, and I do agree with you to a certain extent.

But that extent stops at believing that there is a Sunni Arab tribe mentality in the Greater Middle-East. Selfishness always dominates, always.

jackalope said:

Wow, :shock: article. King and Hoekstra appear to be spinning like mad, trying to explain the differences in response to Bush and response to Obama.

I haven't been paying too much attention to news in the last week or so. I didn't realize that Republicans were using this as a political attack. That is very disheartening, IMO.

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You're right, you simply can't criticize the the president during a time of war.

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You're right, you simply can't criticize the the president during a time of war.

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So just to check. Where you supporting these peoples right to protest against Bush during a time of war and felt it was okay for them to do so and defended them against people criticizing them for doing so?

jackalope said:

You remember incorrectly, Bush did not give up golfing. He did SAY he was doing that. But, you know, he lied.

I can't believe you continued the partisan attack on Obama's response after Dana posted that politico article. Holy. Flipping. Wow.

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LIES!!! ALL LIES!! Sheesh, you true believers just kill me. :mrgreen:

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By Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, May 14, 2008

President Bush said yesterday that he gave up golfing in 2003 "in solidarity" with the families of soldiers who were dying in Iraq, concluding that it was "just not worth it anymore" to play the sport in a time of war.

"I don't want some mom whose son may have recently died to see the commander in chief playing golf," Bush said in a White House interview with the Politico. "I feel I owe it to the families to be as -- to be in solidarity as best as I can with them. And I think playing golf during a war just sends the wrong signal."

Bush said he decided to stop playing golf on Aug. 19, 2003, when a truck bomb in Baghdad killed U.N. special representative Sergio Vieira de Mello and more than a dozen others.

He said he received word of the attack while playing golf during a stay at the family ranch near Crawford, Tex. Press reports at the time indicate he took the call from Condoleezza Rice, then his national security adviser.

"They pulled me off the golf course, and I said it's just not worth it anymore to do," Bush said in yesterday's interview.......

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jackalope said:

Wow, :shock: article. King and Hoekstra appear to be spinning like mad, trying to explain the differences in response to Bush and response to Obama.

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Yeah like...Bush realizing these are acts of war, Obama considering this an isolated extremist. Man comes from Yemen, spent time there before his flight, added to the fact this comes after the Hasan rampage in Fort Hood and the 5 Alexandrians who are under arrest in Pakistan, not to mention all of this comes on the heels of Obama's surge in Afghanistan and recent hellfire strikes into Yemen and Pakistan. Sounds like a war is on to me while the circus clown vacationing in Hawaii thinks it a isolated event. Clueless.

I haven't been paying too much attention to news in the last week or so. I didn't realize that Republicans were using this as a political attack. That is very disheartening, IMO.

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Let me help you out then. No need was it for you to be paying attention. Just as the 9-11 Commission became a blame game, just as every policy from the Patriot Act, to surveillance, to access to phone records, to eavesdropping into telephone calls and etraffic became political and used against Bush....this will be painted all over the Obama Admin. This was a colossal bone up, Jackalope. An absolute colossal blunder, someone is obviously asleep at the switch.

You didn't miss anything...it's what you deny that confuses you. Learning from the best, we Repubs are absolutely going after Obama on this and we're gonna make it political. Dripping saliva, fangs protruding, menace in our words, clarity in our purpose, we very much plan to expose this rookie circus clown as completely inept and unqualified to lead this nation. We've got a woman who couldn't manage a bowel movement after a night of heavy drinking running our Homeland Security...and you're "disheartened."

I'd sink into flat out depression if I were you, we're gonna sling artillery shells full of mud at this one. We're going to scream and give the 'what for' from the highest mountian top. Bullhorn the fact that this Admin is a threat to national security and considers these acts crimes rather than acts of war.

We're also going to rampage all over this Janet Napolatano or whatever her name is. Remembering she was the one who told us right wing groups preying on returning soldiers was a valid risk...what was that all about.....gonna pretend that wasn't political? She's up there claiming her favorite philosopher is Mao.....and you're disheartened Repubs are going for the political throat.

Why...my good liberal friend...we're going to try to rip the political throat(nonviolent term) right out of this 'Homeland Security Chief", then we're gonna point out what a circus clown we have for a President and we're going to use these attacks to our own political purposes...having learned so much from the anti-war Left and 9-11 Commission games.

Shoe on the other foot and yer suddenly "disheartened"

That is humorous and makes many a right wing radical such as myself smile knowingly...knowing you're in big trouble on this one, this doesn't look good...at all. And I'll consider it my personal campaign and universal Republican crusade to make this look even worse that it could have been. To reach....elaborate...exaggerate...elongate...to make this seem like the sky is falling and your President doesn't have a cluse what to do. We ain't gonna get poltiical, that's an understatement. We're gonna try to ruin this President wiht events like this, to expose to this nation that mistakenly voted for this joke that they've made a colossal error. A boneheaded mistake.

Disheartening to you is real hope and change for me. The powder has been saved and kept dry long enough Gentlemen, time to either pull the political pistols or whistle a tune. I say let's tighten up and tear into these inept Dems right now. Not only make it political, make it super political. Convince the rest of this nation that a clown sits in the White House and hopefully, your disheartenment sinks to a new low while you watch Michelle move her garments out.:2wave:

Let's rock Repubs, like a fighter, you see blood...you see the legs wobble slightly....let's start throwing haymakers. Let's start with 2010 and vote these utter jokes out of office.

Charles Martel said:

Yeah like...Bush realizing these are acts of war, Obama considering this an isolated extremist.

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amen to that

obama is so philosophically OFF on this imminent threat to innocent life, he is not only, as you say, identifying this aq-trained hitman as "isolated," he also repeatedly refers to him in the "criminal" sense as opposed to abdulmutallab's "war criminal" status

the president can't even bring himself to utter the word "terror," let alone "jihad"

how you gonna fight, let alone win a war if you can't even recognize and acknowledge your enemy?

he's THAT obtuse

Man comes from Yemen, spent time there before his flight, added to the fact this comes after the Hasan rampage in Fort Hood and the 5 Alexandrians who are under arrest in Pakistan, not to mention all of this comes on the heels of Obama's surge in Afghanistan and recent hellfire strikes into Yemen and Pakistan. Sounds like a war is on to me while the circus clown vacationing in Hawaii thinks it a isolated event. Clueless.

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well put

and, when it comes to afghanistan, he says himself he's taking on the taliban there to encourage zardari next door to address the real problem, al qaeda---WHICH IS IN PAKISTAN

obama's in the wrong country

he castigates karzai, then congratulates him

he's equal parts ESCALATION and exit strategy

utterly incoherent

Let me help you out then. No need was it for you to be paying attention. Just as the 9-11 Commission became a blame game, just as every policy from the Patriot Act, to surveillance, to access to phone records, to eavesdropping into telephone calls and etraffic became political and used against Bush....this will be painted all over the Obama Admin. This was a colossal bone up, Jackalope. An absolute colossal blunder, someone is obviously asleep at the switch.

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i saw chrissy matthews yesterday calling for americans to give up some of their liberties---when you fly, chrissy intones, it's not all about you

You didn't miss anything...it's what you deny that confuses you. Learning from the best, we Repubs are absolutely going after Obama on this and we're gonna make it political. Dripping saliva, fangs protruding, menace in our words, clarity in our purpose, we very much plan to expose this rookie circus clown as completely inept and unqualified to lead this nation. We've got a woman who couldn't manage a bowel movement after a night of heavy drinking running our Homeland Security...and you're "disheartened."

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this is the real reason i bother you with any of my response, my friend

i had to stop what i was doing and endorse, word for word, your expressions above which i've bolded

no emotion, here, just patriotic purpose

relentlessness, too, they need to know we're coming every day, several times a day, with all we got---FOREVER

they're wrong, we're right

united states politics is out-and-out civil war, it's ruthless and vicious and very often unfair

none of those things matter, they're like ideals and personal philosophies---stuff for girls

the only thing that matters is winning, the only thing that matters is winning

I'd sink into flat out depression if I were you, we're gonna sling artillery shells full of mud at this one. We're going to scream and give the 'what for' from the highest mountian top. Bullhorn the fact that this Admin is a threat to national security and considers these acts crimes rather than acts of war.

We're also going to rampage all over this Janet Napolatano or whatever her name is. Remembering she was the one who told us right wing groups preying on returning soldiers was a valid risk... (and she compiled the domestics enemies list, too, excuse me) what was that all about.....gonna pretend that wasn't political? She's up there claiming her favorite philosopher is Mao.....and you're disheartened Repubs are going for the political throat.

Why...my good liberal friend...we're going to try to rip the political throat(nonviolent term) right out of this 'Homeland Security Chief", then we're gonna point out what a circus clown we have for a President and we're going to use these attacks to our own political purposes...having learned so much from the anti-war Left and 9-11 Commission games.

Shoe on the other foot and yer suddenly "disheartened"

That is humorous and makes many a right wing radical such as myself smile knowingly...knowing you're in big trouble on this one, this doesn't look good...at all. And I'll consider it my personal campaign and universal Republican crusade to make this look even worse that it could have been. To reach....elaborate...exaggerate...elongate... (why not? it's politics the way it's played, let the loser lament) to make this seem like the sky is falling and your President doesn't have a cluse what to do. (we don't have to reach to do that) We ain't gonna get poltiical, that's an understatement. We're gonna try to ruin this President wiht events like this, to expose to this nation that mistakenly voted for this joke that they've made a colossal error. A boneheaded mistake.

Disheartening to you is real hope and change for me. The powder has been saved and kept dry long enough Gentlemen, time to either pull the political pistols or whistle a tune. I say let's tighten up and tear into these inept Dems right now. Not only make it political, make it super political. Convince the rest of this nation that a clown sits in the White House and hopefully, your disheartenment sinks to a new low while you watch Michelle move her garments out.:2wave:

Let's rock Repubs, like a fighter, you see blood...you see the legs wobble slightly....let's start throwing haymakers. Let's start with 2010 and vote these utter jokes out of office.

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right on, brother

i will very eagerly and energetically follow your leadership, you know how to win

and you are so very, very right---i bigtime see those skinny legs wobbling

cliff

Dutch said:

You're right, you simply can't criticize the the president during a time of war.

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I actually didn't make that statement. I think what you just did there was make **** up.

Dutch said:

LIES!!! ALL LIES!! Sheesh, you true believers just kill me. :mrgreen:

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Um, Dutch. That would be the story reporting Bush SAYING he gave up golf. However .... and I know this is hard for you true believers .... he L I E D. He did not give up golf, as he stated in that story:

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Bush played golf at least two times at Andrews Air Force Base in Maryland after de Mello's death. The first occasion was on Sept. 28, when his partners included Sen. Don Nickles (R-Okla) and Rep. John Boehner (R-Ohio), according to an AP report. The next occasion was on Columbus Day, Oct. 13, when he played with his old Andover/Yale chum, Clay Johnson, and Richard Hauser, general counsel with the Department of Housing and Urban Development. According to the AP, his tee-off shot went into the rough.

Some bloggers have speculated that Bush's real reason for giving up golf is connected with his knee problems, which flared up in December 2003, and caused him to abandon his normal jogging routine.

Golf-gate! - Fact Checker

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Charles Martel said:

Yeah like...Bush realizing these are acts of war, Obama considering this an isolated extremist. Man comes from Yemen, spent time there before his flight, added to the fact this comes after the Hasan rampage in Fort Hood and the 5 Alexandrians who are under arrest in Pakistan, not to mention all of this comes on the heels of Obama's surge in Afghanistan and recent hellfire strikes into Yemen and Pakistan. Sounds like a war is on to me while the circus clown vacationing in Hawaii thinks it a isolated event. Clueless.

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Charles, that was a long post avoiding the fact that Republicans are not treating the shoe bomber situation and Bush the same as the underwear bomber situation and Obama.

This isn't that hard. In order to build credibility, try not to engage in politically expedient outrage.

danarhea said:

Truth, or partisan hackery of the worst kind? Let me see here:

1) An incident revealed gaping holes in airline security.

2) The president was on vacation when it happened.

3) The bomber was connected to al-Queda.

4) The White House issued a statement, saying that the president had been briefed.

Yup, looks very similar. This was the Richard Reid incident, in which a terrorist attempted to blow up a plane with the exact same chemical in his shoes that this terrorist had in his underwear. This happened during the Bush administration.

And now, for some differences:

1) Obama took time out from his vacation immediately to respond. Bush stayed on vacation.

2) Obama responded with a statement immediately. Bush made no statement for 6 days.

3) Democrats did not criticize Bush over the reid incident, or attempt to turn this into a political issue. Republicans are criticizing Obama for this incident, and attempting to turn it into a political issue.

That the Republican party would attempt to turn what could have been a national tragedy into political fodder is absolutely sickening, disgusting, and unamerican. The Old Soviet Union would have been proud of them. The Party of Whiners has once again shown why they are regarded as the Party of Whiners. Perhaps they need to seek a more fulfilling job than the ones they have. I hear that Pravda has a few openings.

From this article.

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obama came out and originally called this near catastrophe the act of an "isolated" "extremist"

obama was shown to be wrong on the first score within hours

mr farouk said he was sent by assassins simulataneous with aq in yemen claiming responsibility

the homeland security secty said everything was "clockwork"

msnbc is running clips of w's "heckuva job, brownie" moment

obama then had to amend his remarks the next day (tuesday), again between rounds, trying to get ahead of the outrage americans are expressing over this intolerable oversight

but he still can't bring himself to utter the word terror, terrorist or jihad (let alone, muslim)

he's as incoherent as always

concerning iran he's said he's gonna pursue personal diplomacy, ahmedinejad has a right to nukes, he doesn't want to be seen as interfering in the popular uprisings against supreme totalitarianism...

utterly incoherent

and ahmedinejad bitch slaps the oblivious bigears at every bridge

when it comes to china, he fails to get currency negotiations, can't move hu a hundredth on sanctioning iran, gets dissed dastardly by the people's people in frozen copenhagen, allows himself to be stage managed by masterful choreography in townhalls, press conferences, trips to the great wall...

completely over his head

at least w-stands-for-what's-his-name knew his own mind, whatever its capacity

at least our last president did not allow himself to be so often humiliated before the watching world by so many runtly rogues and reprobates

he wants to close gitmo but he can't, ever, cuz there's so many yemenis there, which apparently he never thought of

it turns out that former detainees released by BUSH are now orchestrating all this crap from that chaotic country

ford hood hitman hasan bent at the same holy knee, alaqi's, as did abdulmutallab

when it comes to exactly how to handle these foreign born jihadists, the administration transcends incoherence

it's mesmerized in murkiness

some of them go to military tribunals, others to manhattan

the distinction determining who goes where has never been laid out

holder went to the senate to testify, "duh"

ksm will never see a nyc court

MSgt said:

There are exceptions to every rule. However, exceptions don't make the rules. Fearing the exceptions while allowing the obvious in merely widens the door.

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How about this fine looking young man Timothy Macviegh
CrimeLibrary.com/Terrorists, Spies & Assassins/Terrorists


Here are a bunch of cases were bombs were bought by a lot of different races, creeds, ectt.


SO profiling by race doesn't work.

jackalope said:

Charles, that was a long post avoiding the fact that Republicans are not treating the shoe bomber situation and Bush the same as the underwear bomber situation and Obama.

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That's because Bush's Homeland Security(national Security) didn't proclaim the system worked directly afterwards. And he certainly never came out claiming this a "single act of extremism."

Bush understood this was a war and immediately implemented the changes rather than coming out saying everything is cool.

Somebody is asleep at the switch, Jackalope. And your denial of this is quite telling. Obama wasn't checking passengers in but....an "isolated incident"...is he that stupid?

Charles Martel said:

That's because Bush's Homeland Security(national Security) didn't proclaim the system worked directly afterwards. And he certainly never came out claiming this a "single act of extremism."

Bush understood this was a war and immediately implemented the changes rather than coming out saying everything is cool.

Somebody is asleep at the switch, Jackalope. And your denial of this is quite telling. Obama wasn't checking passengers in but....an "isolated incident"...is he that stupid?

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Really? Bush's Homeland Security guy was on Larry King Monday night defending Napolotino's statement and saying it made sense to him.




But, do you mean back when the shoe bomber incident happened? Wasn't it a month before Bush's homeland security guy came out and said anything? I think that's what the Politico article (that Dana posted) said.


Give it up. Caught being partisan, continuing makes it worse.

:rofl


However, I certainly do agree someone was asleep at the switch. Regardless of whatever systems after the bombing attempt worked or not, the screenings BEFORE the plane left Nigeria did not work. That guy should never have been let on the plane.