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Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

Zyphlin said:
Depends. If the one with 30 years of experience is an absolute ****ing moron that has kept his job primarily based on tenure, ass kissing, too costly to get rid of him, whatever other random reason and the 5 year guy actually knows what he's doing, I'd ask the 5 year guy. All things being equal, I'd ask the 30 year experience guy, but very very very rarely do you get a situation where all things is equal.
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Well, there ya go.
 
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apdst said:
But, not in practical experience. Actual, "street smarts"--for lack of a better term--trumps most factors.

Picture yourself working in a field. You have two colleagues to whom you can turn for advice. One has 30 years of experience, the other has 5 years. Which one's opinion would you trust more?
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Yet that has nothing to do with age, only with experience.


Should I turn to the 35 year old with 30 years of experience or to the 65 year old guy with 5 years of experience?

:)
 
yesterday on mtp, homeland secty napolitano actually said the system worked

LOL!

"everything went according to clockwork," insisted the simple minded secty

sure, a guy gets a bomb onboard a plane to Detroit and starts to ignite it under his blanket

word now is he might not even have had a passport

he was on britain's watch list and not allowed to enter the uk

the keystone kops now occupy pennsylvania avenue

these things matter, they accumulate

they contribute to an overall view of this administration as thoroughly amateurish

remember when obama trotted out geithner and summers to mtp and ftn to suggest raising taxes on the middle class?

they're always having to take stuff back

and now every american is a little more afraid to fly

good job, fellas (and ladies)

Al-Qaida links to Christmas Day plane bomb plot investigated | World news | The Guardian
 
The Prof said:
yesterday on mtp, homeland secty napolitano actually said the system worked

LOL!

"everything went according to clockwork," insisted the simple minded secty

sure, a guy gets a bomb onboard a plane to Detroit and starts to ignite it under his blanket

word now is he might not even have had a passport

he was on britain's watch list and not allowed to enter the uk

the keystone kops now occupy pennsylvania avenue

these things matter, they accumulate

they contribute to an overall view of this administration as thoroughly amateurish

remember when obama trotted out geithner and summers to mtp and ftn to suggest raising taxes on the middle class?

they're always having to take stuff back

and now every american is a little more afraid to fly

good job, fellas (and ladies)

Al-Qaida links to Christmas Day plane bomb plot investigated | World news | The Guardian
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You can't get on a plane anywhere in the U.S. without a passport.
 
He didn't board the plane in the US, he boarded it overseas. And that's not true anyway. At least not for domestic flights.
 
Arch Enemy said:
Yet that has nothing to do with age, only with experience.


Should I turn to the 35 year old with 30 years of experience or to the 65 year old guy with 5 years of experience?

:)
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Now, you're just being silly because it's all you have.
 
Hatuey said:
You can't get on a plane anywhere in the U.S. without a passport.
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When was that law passed? I got a plane in Louisiana last year without producing a passport.
 
dontworrybehappy said:
He didn't board the plane in the US, he boarded it overseas. And that's not true anyway. At least not for domestic flights.
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Err - I was about to edit - You can't fly from any country into the US without a passport. On our side alone they ask you for your passport at least twice when you land.
 
Hatuey said:
Err - I was about to edit - You can't fly from any country into the US without a passport. On our side alone they ask you for your passport at least twice when you land.
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They ask for it when Americans go to Cananda, too.
 
Have they stopped stamping passports?
 
apdst said:
When was that law passed? I got a plane in Louisiana last year without producing a passport.
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PASSPORT APPLICATION & RENEWAL - UnitedStates.org

U.S. citizens cannot fly into the United States from Canada, Mexico, Central America, South America, the Caribbean, or Bermuda without a valid passport. If you've got a trip planned, note that it now takes 10 to 12 weeks to get a passport using the routine service option. For an extra charge, there's also an expedited service. This will get you on your way in about three weeks.
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This applies to Europe. To my knowledge very few European countries will let you on a plane without a valid passport now.
 
Ethereal said:
Then why do intelligence agencies use it? Are they just stupid?
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They don't. From the Bush administration justice dept:


FACT SHEET
RACIAL PROFILING​


“It's wrong, and we will end it in America. In so doing, we will not hinder the work of our nation's brave police officers. They protect us every day -- often at great risk. But by stopping the abuses of a few, we will add to the public confidence our police officers earn and deserve.'' --President George W. Bush, Feb. 27, 2001

“This administration… has been opposed to racial profiling and has done more to indicate its opposition than ever in history. The President said it’s wrong and we’ll end it in America, and I subscribe to that. Using race… as a proxy for potential criminal behavior is unconstitutional, and it undermines law enforcement by undermining the confidence that people can have in law enforcement.” --Attorney General John Ashcroft, Feb. 28, 2002


Defining the Problem:
Racial Profiling Is Wrong and Will Not Be Tolerated​

Racial profiling sends the dehumanizing message to our citizens that they are judged by the color of their skin and harms the criminal justice system by eviscerating the trust that is necessary if law enforcement is to effectively protect our communities.

more ...

http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2003/June/racial_profiling_fact_sheet.pdf
 
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RightinNYC said:
IMO, the differences are pretty obvious.

In the Ft. Hood case, the rational among us urged restraint in our condemnations because it was unclear whether this killing was related to terrorism. First, the guy's name and background didn't come out for quite some time.
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Quite some time? We knew that day on live news and in articles the next day. Where are you getting such misinformation?

Second, it was not immediately clear whether the guy had any radical tendencies.
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Again completely false. We knew what he shouted and what people had said about his attitude, his dress and his opinions. We also knew he tried extremely hard to get out of service overseas.

Third, mass shootings happen with relative frequency and only a very small percentage of them are related to terrorism.
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Really. Please list all these mass shootings by US soldiers on other soldiers and civilians since they happen with "relative frequency".

Your excuses are pathetic.

In this case, the rational among us still urged restraint, but information was available much more quickly.
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Wrong again as I just demonstrated.

First, the guy's name and background came out relatively quickly.
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No faster than the solider.

Second, it was immediately clear that the guy was on terrorist watch lists.
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So what? The soldier's actions alone showed his intentions.

Third, attempted bombings of planes are very rare and are almost always related to terrorism.
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So are shootings where Allahu Akbar is shouted.

But please continue digging a hole for yourself. List all the non terrorist shootings where Allahu Akbar was shouted and it wasn't Islamic Terrorism. :roll:

BTW, just to blow away your excuses about how slow we got information on this, here is an article posted the next day with the Islamic terrorist's name.

http://boingboing.net/2009/11/06/an-insiders-view-of.html

How about another?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2009-11-05-Fort-Hood_N.htm

Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, an Army psychiatrist who had counseled troops and was upset about being deployed to Afghanistan shouted "Allahu Akbar!" — Arabic for "God is great!" — and opened fire on an unarmed crowd at the Army post Thursday afternoon, military officials said. Thirteen people died and 30 were wounded.

A disgruntled doctor

Hasan was born in Virginia and graduated from Virginia Tech, according to The Roanoke Times archives.

He later received two degrees from the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., according to Hasan's military record and a university newsletter.

U.S. Rep. Michael McCaul, a Republican from Austin, was briefed by military officials and said Hasan had taken some unusual classes for someone studying about mental health.

"He took a lot of extra classes in weapons training, which seems a little odd for a psychiatrist," McCaul said.

McCaul said Hasan had received poor grades for his work at Walter Reed and was not happy about his situation in Fort Hood, where Hasan apparently felt like "he didn't fit in."

"He's disgruntled because he had a poor performance evaluation, he doesn't believe in the mission, he's looking at getting transferred to Afghanistan or Iraq," McCaul said. "He's not happy about all that."

McCaul added that officials planned to interview Hasan to try to determine for sure that he was not working with foreign agents.

"From an intelligence standpoint, that's key, finding out if he talked to anyone overseas," McCaul said.

Hasan had come to the attention of federal law enforcement officials at least six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats, according to a federal law enforcement official who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the case.

The official said investigators were trying to confirm that Hasan was the author of the postings, one of which was a blog that equates suicide bombers with a soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save the lives of his comrades. One of the officials said federal search warrants were being drawn up to authorize seizure of Hasan's computer.


Face it, your excuses that we didn't have enough information when articles not only listing his full name, what he shouted and his history were clear the next day.

Your pathetic excuse that we didn't have information for "quite some time" has been proven completely false and smacks of excuses for your own inability to admit the truth about this Islamic terrorist from the beginning.


The only difference is the method of attacking Americans. So my question still stands. Why did one Islamic Terrorist receive all the excuses from liberals while the other was condemned immediatly?

The answer is simple. Hasan succeeded so liberals went into full defense mode not wanting to admit this was the first sucessful mass attack by Islamic Terrorists under Obama.
 
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Hatuey said:
I counted 5 since 2003.

Timeline: Fatal shootings on U.S. bases - CNN.com

Give or take one a year.
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Well lets see here.

The first one was another Islamic Terrorist attack, Hasan Ackbar.

Two others only 2 soliders died in each not including the gunman. Hardly mass attacks.

Now you're down to one attack.

Hardly supports the charge he made of "relative frequency"
 
texmaster said:
Well lets see here.

The first one was another Islamic Terrorist attack, Hasan Ackbar.

Two others only 2 soliders died in each not including the gunman. Hardly mass attacks.

Now you're down to one attack.

Hardly supports the charge he made of "relative frequency"
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A mass shooting in the U.S. is not something which is rare at all though. ;) - matter of fact we get AT LEAST 2-3 mass shootings a year. At every establishment. And while they might occur in some places more than others, it should come as no surprise that in a nation where a sizeable percentage of citizens report some sort of mental malaise, there would be AT LEAST one mass shooting at an army base. Just because it doesn't happen often, doesn't mean it simply doesn't happen. It does. This is proof that it can.
 
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, it should come as no surprise that in a nation where a sizeable percentage of citizens report some sort of mental malaise, there would be AT LEAST one mass shooting at an army base. Just because it doesn't happen often, doesn't mean it simply doesn't happen. It does. This is proof that it can.
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Doesn't happen where the words God is Great prempt the killings.

See...other shootings there are normally reasons why. A workplace shooting the most common, someone all upset they didn;t get a raise or were fired...these people can easily be explained, they snapped.

Concerning Fort Hood, these seems to be someone who was inspiring Hasan, in fact, an entire religion was inspiring him.

And...I don't see anyone after a mass killing here in the US being called a great anything. You'll note, when a terrorist unleashes death, it's praised and congratulated by many. No one condones or approves of mass shootings like at Va Tech or Columbine.
 
Profiling is how we look for people of a certain description, that have the same ethnic background as people we are at war with. Better than shaking down four year old kids in strollers. ---the policy now, is to not look at those same people, but rather at people that don't fit the description. ---It is like a Man robs a bank, --so the cops stop all women.---don't want to be guilty of "Profiling"
 
Charles Martel said:
Doesn't happen where the words God is Great prempt the killings.
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What?

See...other shootings there are normally reasons why. A workplace shooting the most common, someone all upset they didn;t get a raise or were fired...these people can easily be explained, they snapped.

Concerning Fort Hood, these seems to be someone who was inspiring Hasan, in fact, an entire religion was inspiring him.

And...I don't see anyone after a mass killing here in the US being called a great anything. You'll note, when a terrorist unleashes death, it's praised and congratulated by many. No one condones or approves of mass shootings like at Va Tech or Columbine.
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Religion is a reason for why. An abortion doctor got killed earlier this year because of religion. People bomb abortion clinics because of religion. Others incite hate because of religion. Religion is absolutely a reason and motivator for mass murders as much as a political ideology or a grudge.
 
Hatuey said:
What?
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Sorry, used an e instead of an o. Mass shootings aren't prompted with God is Great. This was a Islamic inspired terror attack, there's a difference you don't see?

Religion is a reason for why. An abortion doctor got killed earlier this year because of religion. People bomb abortion clinics because of religion. Others incite hate because of religion. Religion is absolutely a reason and motivator for mass murders as much as a political ideology or a grudge.
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True, but the target is the abortion doctor who is seen as a murderer, that is the normal MO. Secondly, other religions strongly voice out concerning these actions, no one harbors or accepts that behavior.

Finally, where all religions have inspired to kill, no religion stands historically as violent as Islam. No religion has expanded so far so fast, no religion is reacted to with such violence, no other religion teaches eternal salvation for killing an infidel.
 
Charles Martel said:
Sorry, used an e instead of an o. Mass shootings aren't prompted with God is Great. This was a Islamic inspired terror attack, there's a difference you don't see?
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So the rhetoric of the violator defines the actions? That's a bit bizarre.

What you are trying to say is that what the Fort Hood shooter said, is more important than what he did.




Finally, where all religions have inspired to kill, no religion stands historically as violent as Islam. No religion has expanded so far so fast, no religion is reacted to with such violence, no other religion teaches eternal salvation for killing an infidel.
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No religions inspire to kill.
No religions kill.
No religions inspire.

Only people are capable of being inspired, and inspire to kill.
 
Arch Enemy said:
So the rhetoric of the violator defines the actions? That's a bit bizarre.
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If a whit soldier killed two+ minority soldiers--since two seems to be the starting point of a mass killing--and that solder was a bonefide member of the KKK or Skinheads; would you have any doubt that the killings were racially motivated? Or, would you take the same wait and see attitude?
 
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