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Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

RightinNYC said:
A: "There's been a lot of burglaries lately. We should install bombs on the door of every house so that if people try to enter after 11pm, it blows up the house."

B: "I don't think that's a very good idea."

A: "LOL you'd rather do nothing??? Omg your so dumb. You're probably a burglar-sympathizer"
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Now, you're just being obtuse to camoflauge your error. What's next? Gonne pick on me because I spelled camoflauge wrong?
 
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apdst said:
So, well, you're another one that believes that doing nothing is the answer? How stupid is that?
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I'm more than sure he is not stating that. He is stating that we can't assume that all who look Arab are guilty. However, I believe that hurting the feelings of all Arabs is worth the effort to catch those Arabs who are guilty.

We aren't talking about crime. We are talking about warfare. And like I stated...if they don't like it, then they can certainly take matters into their own hands and deal with their cultural failures and save us the trouble.
 
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apdst said:
Now, you're just being obtuse to camoflauge your error. What's next? Gonne pick on me because I spelled camoflauge wrong?
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I'll settle for pointing out your gaping logical flaws.


congrats on the promotion btw said:
I'm more than sure he is not stating that. He is stating that we can't assume that all who look Arab are guilty. However, I believe that hurting the feelings of all Arabs is worth the effort to catch those Arabs who are guilty.

We aren't talking about crime. We are talking about warfare. And like I stated...if they don't like it, then they can certainly take matters into their own hands and deal with their cultural failures.
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See, this is a logically defensible position. I just happen to disagree because I think that the additional costs would outweigh the incremental benefit that we would receive, because so many of these terrorist actions can be committed without going through a checkpoint and because it would be near-impossible to distinguish between suspect classes and non-suspect classes.
 
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apdst said:
What about guys that look this? Think it would have made a difference if these dudes never got on a commercial aircraft?

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Nigerians don't look like that. Aren't you black? You're supposed to know what black people look like.
 
Arch Enemy said:
Haha, really?

Let me see your sources
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Oh, damn, my pleasure, bro!

Mohammad Sidique Khan (30) - Edgware Road Tube 8:50 a.m. Lived in Dewsbury with his wife and young child. (Hasina Patel miscarried August 2005).
Shehzad Tanweer (22) - Aldgate Tube 8:50 a.m. Lived in Leeds with his mother and father working in a fish-and-chip shop.
Germaine Lindsay (19) - Russell Square 8:50 a.m. Lived in Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire with his pregnant wife.
Hasib Hussain (18) - Tavistock Square 9:47 a.m. Lived in Leeds with his brother Imran and sister-in-law Shazia.

7 July 2005 London bombings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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On December 9, the ten attackers were identified by Mumbai police, along with their home towns in Pakistan: Ajmal Amir from Faridkot, Abu Ismail Dera Ismail Khan from Dera Ismail Khan, Hafiz Arshad and Babr Imran from Multan, Javed from Okara, Shoaib from Narowal, Nazih and Nasr from Faisalabad, Abdul Rahman from Arifwalla, and Fahad Ullah from Dipalpur Taluka. Dera Ismail Khan is in the North-West Frontier Province; the rest of the towns are in Pakistani Punjab.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Mumbai_attacks#Attackers
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Hatuey said:
Nigerians don't look like that. Aren't you black? You're supposed to know what black people look like.
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Point out where I said these guys are Nigerian, or that this is what Nigerians look like. Thank you.
 
Arch Enemy said:
Al Qa'ida is no longer a cancerous tumor on the side of Afghanistan and Pakistan. It can affect any and everyone. To expect that the Al-Qa'ida influenced lone-wolf (which is probably what this guy is) is going to be wearing a long beard, with his hijab dressing in accordance with Wahab Islam is to underestimate the enemy.

7 July London Attacks had no Arabs (British, Pakistani, and Jamaican)

26-29 November Mumbai Attacks had no Arabs (Pakistani; Leshkar-I-Taliba0

2004 Russian Terrorist Attack was not the work of Arabs.
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1) I am very well aware of what is going on in the Afghani/Pakistani border.

2) Who said anything about long beards and hijabs? An Arab is an Arab. I can tell the difference between an Arab, a Pakistani, an Indian, and a Persian. Of course, nobody can be 100%, but it is absolutely possible to be accurate enough to catch the obvious. It's not hard.

I'll put it to you another way... Prior to 9/11 the military was constantly targetted by Sunni Arab (or Sunni loyalists) terrorists. Al-Queda was not a foreign word to us and Bin Laden was known. If we had it our way, all Arab looking personell would have been pulled aside long before 9/11 as a possible danger. After 9/11, people, who wish the world to reflect their dreams of marshmellows and daisies, still pretend that we are "better then they" at the expense of more American lives. America hasn't survived and become the most powerful nation in history because of European emotions.
 
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apdst said:
You are very wrong on the London and Mumbai attacks, sir.
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For Mumbai
It was the first time the Indian police disclosed the larger number of recruits, all of whom belonged to the Pakistani militant organization Lashkar-e-Taiba. The police said there was no reason to believe that the other 20 were in India, but expressed concern about that possibility.
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The authorities had already identified two of the gunmen: Mr. Kasab, from the village of Faridkot, Pakistan, and Ismail Khan, from Dera Ismail Khan, Pakistan.

The eight remaining gunmen were identified by the police, sometimes only by first names and with varying degrees of location of their origins in Pakistan. The eight were listed as Hafiz Arshad from Multan; Javed from Okara; Shoaib from Narowal; Nazih from Faisalbad; Nasr from Faisalbad; Babr Imran from Multan; Abdul Rahman from Arifwalla; and Fahad Ullah from Dipalpur Taluka.
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For London Attacks

Mohammad Sidique Khan -- West Yorkshire, England, United Kingdom
Shehzad Tanweer--- West Yorkshire, England, United Kingdom
Abdullah Shaheed Jamal --- Jamaica
Hasib Hussain -- London
 
MSgt said:
First...they would have to find lighter skinned Muslims who are willing to throw their lives away and commit suicide for a fantastical belief of reward. And since the vast majority of all suicide bombers look absolutely like Arabs, Al-Queda's job would be far than "extremely easy." The point is to make it harder than easier and throwing out the red carpet to all obvious Arabs so that we can pretend to be "better than them" is plain stupid.

If they don't like it, then we can direct them towards their own heritage and culture. And if they don't like this then they can be directed to deal with it within their culture rather than getting angry at those that are merely trying to keep their own alive.

Of course, that's just the Jarhead in me looking after my own. My own seem to rather be destroyed these days than to "look bad."
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Congratulations on the promotion. :2wave:
 
MSgt said:
PHP:

I'm more than sure he is not stating that. He is stating that we can't assume that all who look Arab are guilty. However, I believe that hurting the feelings of all Arabs is worth the effort to catch those Arabs who are guilty.

We aren't talking about crime. We are talking about warfare. And like I stated...if they don't like it, then they can certainly take matters into their own hands and deal with their cultural failures and save us the trouble.
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I never said that Arab/Arab looking persons are guilty, either. Only that people who fit a certain profile should be scrutinized moreso than others.

If it hurts someone's feelings and at the same time saves someone's life, then it's worth it.

However, doing nothing because of some fairy tail about AQ using white boys on the next attack is the wrong answer.
 
Arch Enemy said:
You do realize the United Kingdom, Pakistan, and Jamaica isn't Arab... right?
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You do reaize that all but one of these dudes has an Arab name and are of Arab decent...right?
 
Arch Enemy said:
You do realize the United Kingdom, Pakistan, and Jamaica isn't Arab... right?
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I think the difficulty in communication is due to the fact that he's conflating "arab," "middle eastern," "islamic," and "terroristy-looking."
 
RightinNYC said:
I think the difficulty in communication is due to the fact that he's conflating "arab," "middle eastern," "islamic," and "terroristy-looking."
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I don't think that's it at all. I think it has more to do with people assuming they know what I mean and turning up sadly mistaken. I see a certain pattern, but whatever.
 
apdst said:
Point out where I said these guys are Nigerian, or that this is what Nigerians look like. Thank you.
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Your inability to extrapolate is really ridiculous. You stated you'd want a system where we look for people who look like terrorists. Then provided a picture to show us the type of people we should be looking for. If your system relies on visual aids and cues to look for terrorists, it is clearly a failure. The terrorist on this plane was a black guy. I will bet you that if on that plane there were 200 people 170 were black. How do you tell which one is a Muslim that way? You can't.

Even if we were just looking for Arabs, if your system is reliant on looking for Arabs how does that work for flights coming from Arab countries? Obviously your 'brilliant' system doesn't take that sort of situation into account. Only somebody who thinks Muslims terrorists run into planes screaming "ALLAH ALLAH ALLAH!" would think such a system is a good idea.
 
RightinNYC said:
I think the difficulty in communication is due to the fact that he's conflating "arab," "middle eastern," "islamic," and "terroristy-looking."
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Yeah. It's a bit pathetic. You know, not being able to discern the differences.
 
Hatuey said:
Your inability to extrapolate is really ridiculous. You stated you'd want a system where we look for people who look like terrorists. Then provided a picture to show us the type of people we should be looking for. If your system relies on visual aids and cues to look for terrorists, it is clearly a failure. The terrorist on this plane was a black guy. I will bet you that if on that plane there were 200 people 170 were black. How do you tell which one is a Muslim that way? You can't.

Even if we were just looking for Arabs, if your system is reliant on looking for Arabs how does that work for flights coming from Arab countries? Obviously your 'brilliant' system doesn't take that sort of situation into account. Only somebody who thinks Muslims terrorists run into planes screaming "ALLAH ALLAH ALLAH!" would think such a system is a good idea.
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Show me where I said that. Thank you.
 
apdst said:
LOL...oh really? Now, you're just arguing to argue.
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Prove that they are Arabic,

According to the Princeton Dictionary

S: (n) Arab, Arabian (a member of a Semitic people originally from the Arabian peninsula and surrounding territories who speaks Arabic and who inhabits much of the Middle East and northern Africa)
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You're debating that they're "Arabish"
 
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