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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    Wow, article. King and Hoekstra appear to be spinning like mad, trying to explain the differences in response to Bush and response to Obama.
    Yeah like...Bush realizing these are acts of war, Obama considering this an isolated extremist. Man comes from Yemen, spent time there before his flight, added to the fact this comes after the Hasan rampage in Fort Hood and the 5 Alexandrians who are under arrest in Pakistan, not to mention all of this comes on the heels of Obama's surge in Afghanistan and recent hellfire strikes into Yemen and Pakistan. Sounds like a war is on to me while the circus clown vacationing in Hawaii thinks it a isolated event. Clueless.

    I haven't been paying too much attention to news in the last week or so. I didn't realize that Republicans were using this as a political attack. That is very disheartening, IMO.
    Let me help you out then. No need was it for you to be paying attention. Just as the 9-11 Commission became a blame game, just as every policy from the Patriot Act, to surveillance, to access to phone records, to eavesdropping into telephone calls and etraffic became political and used against Bush....this will be painted all over the Obama Admin. This was a colossal bone up, Jackalope. An absolute colossal blunder, someone is obviously asleep at the switch.

    You didn't miss anything...it's what you deny that confuses you. Learning from the best, we Repubs are absolutely going after Obama on this and we're gonna make it political. Dripping saliva, fangs protruding, menace in our words, clarity in our purpose, we very much plan to expose this rookie circus clown as completely inept and unqualified to lead this nation. We've got a woman who couldn't manage a bowel movement after a night of heavy drinking running our Homeland Security...and you're "disheartened."

    I'd sink into flat out depression if I were you, we're gonna sling artillery shells full of mud at this one. We're going to scream and give the 'what for' from the highest mountian top. Bullhorn the fact that this Admin is a threat to national security and considers these acts crimes rather than acts of war.

    We're also going to rampage all over this Janet Napolatano or whatever her name is. Remembering she was the one who told us right wing groups preying on returning soldiers was a valid risk...what was that all about.....gonna pretend that wasn't political? She's up there claiming her favorite philosopher is Mao.....and you're disheartened Repubs are going for the political throat.

    Why...my good liberal friend...we're going to try to rip the political throat(nonviolent term) right out of this 'Homeland Security Chief", then we're gonna point out what a circus clown we have for a President and we're going to use these attacks to our own political purposes...having learned so much from the anti-war Left and 9-11 Commission games.

    Shoe on the other foot and yer suddenly "disheartened"

    That is humorous and makes many a right wing radical such as myself smile knowingly...knowing you're in big trouble on this one, this doesn't look good...at all. And I'll consider it my personal campaign and universal Republican crusade to make this look even worse that it could have been. To reach....elaborate...exaggerate...elongate...to make this seem like the sky is falling and your President doesn't have a cluse what to do. We ain't gonna get poltiical, that's an understatement. We're gonna try to ruin this President wiht events like this, to expose to this nation that mistakenly voted for this joke that they've made a colossal error. A boneheaded mistake.

    Disheartening to you is real hope and change for me. The powder has been saved and kept dry long enough Gentlemen, time to either pull the political pistols or whistle a tune. I say let's tighten up and tear into these inept Dems right now. Not only make it political, make it super political. Convince the rest of this nation that a clown sits in the White House and hopefully, your disheartenment sinks to a new low while you watch Michelle move her garments out.

    Let's rock Repubs, like a fighter, you see blood...you see the legs wobble slightly....let's start throwing haymakers. Let's start with 2010 and vote these utter jokes out of office.
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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    Yeah like...Bush realizing these are acts of war, Obama considering this an isolated extremist.
    amen to that

    obama is so philosophically OFF on this imminent threat to innocent life, he is not only, as you say, identifying this aq-trained hitman as "isolated," he also repeatedly refers to him in the "criminal" sense as opposed to abdulmutallab's "war criminal" status

    the president can't even bring himself to utter the word "terror," let alone "jihad"

    how you gonna fight, let alone win a war if you can't even recognize and acknowledge your enemy?

    he's THAT obtuse

    Man comes from Yemen, spent time there before his flight, added to the fact this comes after the Hasan rampage in Fort Hood and the 5 Alexandrians who are under arrest in Pakistan, not to mention all of this comes on the heels of Obama's surge in Afghanistan and recent hellfire strikes into Yemen and Pakistan. Sounds like a war is on to me while the circus clown vacationing in Hawaii thinks it a isolated event. Clueless.
    well put

    and, when it comes to afghanistan, he says himself he's taking on the taliban there to encourage zardari next door to address the real problem, al qaeda---WHICH IS IN PAKISTAN

    obama's in the wrong country

    he castigates karzai, then congratulates him

    he's equal parts ESCALATION and exit strategy

    utterly incoherent

    Let me help you out then. No need was it for you to be paying attention. Just as the 9-11 Commission became a blame game, just as every policy from the Patriot Act, to surveillance, to access to phone records, to eavesdropping into telephone calls and etraffic became political and used against Bush....this will be painted all over the Obama Admin. This was a colossal bone up, Jackalope. An absolute colossal blunder, someone is obviously asleep at the switch.
    i saw chrissy matthews yesterday calling for americans to give up some of their liberties---when you fly, chrissy intones, it's not all about you

    You didn't miss anything...it's what you deny that confuses you. Learning from the best, we Repubs are absolutely going after Obama on this and we're gonna make it political. Dripping saliva, fangs protruding, menace in our words, clarity in our purpose, we very much plan to expose this rookie circus clown as completely inept and unqualified to lead this nation. We've got a woman who couldn't manage a bowel movement after a night of heavy drinking running our Homeland Security...and you're "disheartened."
    this is the real reason i bother you with any of my response, my friend

    i had to stop what i was doing and endorse, word for word, your expressions above which i've bolded

    no emotion, here, just patriotic purpose

    relentlessness, too, they need to know we're coming every day, several times a day, with all we got---FOREVER

    they're wrong, we're right

    united states politics is out-and-out civil war, it's ruthless and vicious and very often unfair

    none of those things matter, they're like ideals and personal philosophies---stuff for girls

    the only thing that matters is winning, the only thing that matters is winning

    I'd sink into flat out depression if I were you, we're gonna sling artillery shells full of mud at this one. We're going to scream and give the 'what for' from the highest mountian top. Bullhorn the fact that this Admin is a threat to national security and considers these acts crimes rather than acts of war.

    We're also going to rampage all over this Janet Napolatano or whatever her name is. Remembering she was the one who told us right wing groups preying on returning soldiers was a valid risk... (and she compiled the domestics enemies list, too, excuse me) what was that all about.....gonna pretend that wasn't political? She's up there claiming her favorite philosopher is Mao.....and you're disheartened Repubs are going for the political throat.

    Why...my good liberal friend...we're going to try to rip the political throat(nonviolent term) right out of this 'Homeland Security Chief", then we're gonna point out what a circus clown we have for a President and we're going to use these attacks to our own political purposes...having learned so much from the anti-war Left and 9-11 Commission games.

    Shoe on the other foot and yer suddenly "disheartened"

    That is humorous and makes many a right wing radical such as myself smile knowingly...knowing you're in big trouble on this one, this doesn't look good...at all. And I'll consider it my personal campaign and universal Republican crusade to make this look even worse that it could have been. To reach....elaborate...exaggerate...elongate... (why not? it's politics the way it's played, let the loser lament) to make this seem like the sky is falling and your President doesn't have a cluse what to do. (we don't have to reach to do that) We ain't gonna get poltiical, that's an understatement. We're gonna try to ruin this President wiht events like this, to expose to this nation that mistakenly voted for this joke that they've made a colossal error. A boneheaded mistake.

    Disheartening to you is real hope and change for me. The powder has been saved and kept dry long enough Gentlemen, time to either pull the political pistols or whistle a tune. I say let's tighten up and tear into these inept Dems right now. Not only make it political, make it super political. Convince the rest of this nation that a clown sits in the White House and hopefully, your disheartenment sinks to a new low while you watch Michelle move her garments out.

    Let's rock Repubs, like a fighter, you see blood...you see the legs wobble slightly....let's start throwing haymakers. Let's start with 2010 and vote these utter jokes out of office.
    right on, brother

    i will very eagerly and energetically follow your leadership, you know how to win

    and you are so very, very right---i bigtime see those skinny legs wobbling

    cliff

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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    You're right, you simply can't criticize the the president during a time of war.





    I actually didn't make that statement. I think what you just did there was make **** up.
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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    LIES!!! ALL LIES!! Sheesh, you true believers just kill me.

    source


    Um, Dutch. That would be the story reporting Bush SAYING he gave up golf. However .... and I know this is hard for you true believers .... he L I E D. He did not give up golf, as he stated in that story:

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    Bush played golf at least two times at Andrews Air Force Base in Maryland after de Mello's death. The first occasion was on Sept. 28, when his partners included Sen. Don Nickles (R-Okla) and Rep. John Boehner (R-Ohio), according to an AP report. The next occasion was on Columbus Day, Oct. 13, when he played with his old Andover/Yale chum, Clay Johnson, and Richard Hauser, general counsel with the Department of Housing and Urban Development. According to the AP, his tee-off shot went into the rough.

    Some bloggers have speculated that Bush's real reason for giving up golf is connected with his knee problems, which flared up in December 2003, and caused him to abandon his normal jogging routine.

    Golf-gate! - Fact Checker
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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    Yeah like...Bush realizing these are acts of war, Obama considering this an isolated extremist. Man comes from Yemen, spent time there before his flight, added to the fact this comes after the Hasan rampage in Fort Hood and the 5 Alexandrians who are under arrest in Pakistan, not to mention all of this comes on the heels of Obama's surge in Afghanistan and recent hellfire strikes into Yemen and Pakistan. Sounds like a war is on to me while the circus clown vacationing in Hawaii thinks it a isolated event. Clueless.

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    Charles, that was a long post avoiding the fact that Republicans are not treating the shoe bomber situation and Bush the same as the underwear bomber situation and Obama.

    This isn't that hard. In order to build credibility, try not to engage in politically expedient outrage.
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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Truth, or partisan hackery of the worst kind? Let me see here:

    1) An incident revealed gaping holes in airline security.

    2) The president was on vacation when it happened.

    3) The bomber was connected to al-Queda.

    4) The White House issued a statement, saying that the president had been briefed.

    Yup, looks very similar. This was the Richard Reid incident, in which a terrorist attempted to blow up a plane with the exact same chemical in his shoes that this terrorist had in his underwear. This happened during the Bush administration.

    And now, for some differences:

    1) Obama took time out from his vacation immediately to respond. Bush stayed on vacation.

    2) Obama responded with a statement immediately. Bush made no statement for 6 days.

    3) Democrats did not criticize Bush over the reid incident, or attempt to turn this into a political issue. Republicans are criticizing Obama for this incident, and attempting to turn it into a political issue.

    That the Republican party would attempt to turn what could have been a national tragedy into political fodder is absolutely sickening, disgusting, and unamerican. The Old Soviet Union would have been proud of them. The Party of Whiners has once again shown why they are regarded as the Party of Whiners. Perhaps they need to seek a more fulfilling job than the ones they have. I hear that Pravda has a few openings.

    From this article.
    obama came out and originally called this near catastrophe the act of an "isolated" "extremist"

    obama was shown to be wrong on the first score within hours

    mr farouk said he was sent by assassins simulataneous with aq in yemen claiming responsibility

    the homeland security secty said everything was "clockwork"

    msnbc is running clips of w's "heckuva job, brownie" moment

    obama then had to amend his remarks the next day (tuesday), again between rounds, trying to get ahead of the outrage americans are expressing over this intolerable oversight

    but he still can't bring himself to utter the word terror, terrorist or jihad (let alone, muslim)

    he's as incoherent as always

    concerning iran he's said he's gonna pursue personal diplomacy, ahmedinejad has a right to nukes, he doesn't want to be seen as interfering in the popular uprisings against supreme totalitarianism...

    utterly incoherent

    and ahmedinejad bitch slaps the oblivious bigears at every bridge

    when it comes to china, he fails to get currency negotiations, can't move hu a hundredth on sanctioning iran, gets dissed dastardly by the people's people in frozen copenhagen, allows himself to be stage managed by masterful choreography in townhalls, press conferences, trips to the great wall...

    completely over his head

    at least w-stands-for-what's-his-name knew his own mind, whatever its capacity

    at least our last president did not allow himself to be so often humiliated before the watching world by so many runtly rogues and reprobates
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    he wants to close gitmo but he can't, ever, cuz there's so many yemenis there, which apparently he never thought of

    it turns out that former detainees released by BUSH are now orchestrating all this crap from that chaotic country

    ford hood hitman hasan bent at the same holy knee, alaqi's, as did abdulmutallab

    when it comes to exactly how to handle these foreign born jihadists, the administration transcends incoherence

    it's mesmerized in murkiness

    some of them go to military tribunals, others to manhattan

    the distinction determining who goes where has never been laid out

    holder went to the senate to testify, "duh"

    ksm will never see a nyc court

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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    There are exceptions to every rule. However, exceptions don't make the rules. Fearing the exceptions while allowing the obvious in merely widens the door.



    How about this fine looking young man Timothy Macviegh
    CrimeLibrary.com/Terrorists, Spies & Assassins/Terrorists


    Here are a bunch of cases were bombs were bought by a lot of different races, creeds, ectt.


    SO profiling by race doesn't work.
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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    Charles, that was a long post avoiding the fact that Republicans are not treating the shoe bomber situation and Bush the same as the underwear bomber situation and Obama.
    That's because Bush's Homeland Security(national Security) didn't proclaim the system worked directly afterwards. And he certainly never came out claiming this a "single act of extremism."

    Bush understood this was a war and immediately implemented the changes rather than coming out saying everything is cool.

    Somebody is asleep at the switch, Jackalope. And your denial of this is quite telling. Obama wasn't checking passengers in but....an "isolated incident"...is he that stupid?
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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    That's because Bush's Homeland Security(national Security) didn't proclaim the system worked directly afterwards. And he certainly never came out claiming this a "single act of extremism."

    Bush understood this was a war and immediately implemented the changes rather than coming out saying everything is cool.

    Somebody is asleep at the switch, Jackalope. And your denial of this is quite telling. Obama wasn't checking passengers in but....an "isolated incident"...is he that stupid?

    Really? Bush's Homeland Security guy was on Larry King Monday night defending Napolotino's statement and saying it made sense to him.


    ""I don't think any right-thinking person actually believed that Secretary Napolitano thought the system worked," he said. "Obviously, it was flawed. I think what she was referring to was that after the incident occurred, there are certain procedures and protocols to put in place. That worked smoothly."
    - Tom Ridge



    But, do you mean back when the shoe bomber incident happened? Wasn't it a month before Bush's homeland security guy came out and said anything? I think that's what the Politico article (that Dana posted) said.


    Give it up. Caught being partisan, continuing makes it worse.




    However, I certainly do agree someone was asleep at the switch. Regardless of whatever systems after the bombing attempt worked or not, the screenings BEFORE the plane left Nigeria did not work. That guy should never have been let on the plane.
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