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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

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    Not particularly. If I remember correctly napolitano correctly identified the real terrorists earlier this year, the american people who don't self-identify as progressives.


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    DHS Domestic Terror Report Angers Conservatives, Veterans
    Wednesday, 15 Apr 2009 07:53 PM Article Font Size
    By: Dave Eberhart


    A Homeland Security analysis being distributed to law enforcement agencies and warning of a new era of domestic terrorism has provoked a storm of criticism among conservatives who view it as a thinly veiled attack on Republicans by the Obama administration.
    The report concludes that a new wave of homegrown terror has been spawned by the election of the nation’s first black president and anger over unemployment, rising poverty and illegal immigration. It singles out returning war veterans as a potential recruiting base for the extremists.

    Entitled “Right-Wing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment,” the report has been confirmed as real by DHS chief Janet Napolitano. However, her department has not explained why they’ve never produced a report looking at the violent political left in America.
    Perhaps the most vitriolic attack on the report thus far comes from conservative syndicated columnist, author, and Fox News Channel contributor Michelle Malkin:

    “I have covered DHS for many years and am quite familiar with past assessments they and the FBI have done on animal rights terrorists and environmental terrorists.

    “But those past reports have always been very specific in identifying the exact groups, causes, and targets of domestic terrorism … who have engaged in physical harassment, arson, vandalism, and worse against pharmaceutical companies, farms, labs, and university researchers.

    “By contrast, the piece of crap report issued on April 7 is a sweeping indictment of conservatives,” Malkin concluded.

    Capitol Hill Chimes In

    Meanwhile, according to the Associated Press, House Republican leader John Boehner has described the report as offensive and called on the agency to apologize to veterans.

    “To characterize men and women returning home after defending our country as potential terrorists is offensive and unacceptable,” said Boehner, R-Ohio.

    Equally unhappy with the report’s take on the vulnerability of returning servicemen and women to being swept up into local terror cells is the top man in the American Legion.

    In a scathing letter to Napolitano, David K. Rehbein, an Army veteran and national commander of the American Legion lambasted the report:

    “The best that I can say about your recent report is that it is incomplete. The report states, without any statistical evidence, ‘The possible passage of new restrictions on firearms and the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks.’.......
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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I think anyone who points out the truth about this President, or his administration is, in the eyes of the true followers.


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    Truth, or partisan hackery of the worst kind? Let me see here:

    1) An incident revealed gaping holes in airline security.

    2) The president was on vacation when it happened.

    3) The bomber was connected to al-Queda.

    4) The White House issued a statement, saying that the president had been briefed.

    Yup, looks very similar. This was the Richard Reid incident, in which a terrorist attempted to blow up a plane with the exact same chemical in his shoes that this terrorist had in his underwear. This happened during the Bush administration.

    And now, for some differences:

    1) Obama took time out from his vacation immediately to respond. Bush stayed on vacation.

    2) Obama responded with a statement immediately. Bush made no statement for 6 days.

    3) Democrats did not criticize Bush over the reid incident, or attempt to turn this into a political issue. Republicans are criticizing Obama for this incident, and attempting to turn it into a political issue.

    That the Republican party would attempt to turn what could have been a national tragedy into political fodder is absolutely sickening, disgusting, and unamerican. The Old Soviet Union would have been proud of them. The Party of Whiners has once again shown why they are regarded as the Party of Whiners. Perhaps they need to seek a more fulfilling job than the ones they have. I hear that Pravda has a few openings.

    From this article.
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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Truth, or partisan hackery of the worst kind? Let me see here:

    1) An incident revealed gaping holes in airline security.

    2) The president was on vacation when it happened.

    3) The bomber was connected to al-Queda.

    4) The White House issued a statement, saying that the president had been briefed.

    Yup, looks very similar. This was the Richard Reid incident, in which a terrorist attempted to blow up a plane with the exact same chemical in his shoes that this terrorist had in his underwear. This happened during the Bush administration.

    And now, for some differences:

    1) Obama took time out from his vacation immediately to respond. Bush stayed on vacation.

    2) Obama responded with a statement immediately. Bush made no statement for 6 days.

    3) Democrats did not criticize Bush over the reid incident, or attempt to turn this into a political issue. Republicans are criticizing Obama for this incident, and attempting to turn it into a political issue.

    That the Republican party would attempt to turn what could have been a national tragedy into political fodder is absolutely sickening, disgusting, and unamerican. The Old Soviet Union would have been proud of them. The Party of Whiners has once again shown why they are regarded as the Party of Whiners. Perhaps they need to seek a better job than the ones they have. I hear that Pravda has a few openings.

    From this article.
    You forgot to mention obama told us this was a lone individual. Perhaps he should have waited untill he actually knew what was happening. That would not include a conference with napolitano as she's just as clueless now as she always was. I watched the news conference whereby she told a nervious nation "airport security is working just fine."

    BTW isn't obama still out golfing? If I remember correctly bush gave up golfing during the war. Seems he felt it was inapropriate for a wartime president.
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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Truth, or partisan hackery of the worst kind? Let me see here:

    1) An incident revealed gaping holes in airline security.

    2) The president was on vacation when it happened.

    3) The bomber was connected to al-Queda.

    4) The White House issued a statement, saying that the president had been briefed.

    Yup, looks very similar. This was the Richard Reid incident, in which a terrorist attempted to blow up a plane with the exact same chemical in his shoes that this terrorist had in his underwear. This happened during the Bush administration.

    And now, for some differences:

    1) Obama took time out from his vacation immediately to respond. Bush stayed on vacation.

    2) Obama responded with a statement immediately. Bush made no statement for 6 days.

    3) Democrats did not criticize Bush over the reid incident, or attempt to turn this into a political issue. Republicans are criticizing Obama for this incident, and attempting to turn it into a political issue.

    That the Republican party would attempt to turn what could have been a national tragedy into political fodder is absolutely sickening, disgusting, and unamerican. The Old Soviet Union would have been proud of them. The Party of Whiners has once again shown why they are regarded as the Party of Whiners. Perhaps they need to seek a more fulfilling job than the ones they have. I hear that Pravda has a few openings.

    From this article.
    Wow, article. King and Hoekstra appear to be spinning like mad, trying to explain the differences in response to Bush and response to Obama.

    I haven't been paying too much attention to news in the last week or so. I didn't realize that Republicans were using this as a political attack. That is very disheartening, IMO.
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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    You forgot to mention obama told us this was a lone individual. Perhaps he should have waited untill he actually knew what was happening. That would not include a conference with napolitano as she's just as clueless now as she always was. I watched the news conference whereby she told a nervious nation "airport security is working just fine."

    BTW isn't obama still out golfing? If I remember correctly bush gave up golfing during the war. Seems he felt it was inapropriate for a wartime president.

    You remember incorrectly, Bush did not give up golfing. He did SAY he was doing that. But, you know, he lied.

    I can't believe you continued the partisan attack on Obama's response after Dana posted that politico article. Holy. Flipping. Wow.
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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    And who's idea of Islam do they seek to covet? Sunni Arabism. The same garbage that slaughters non-Sunni Arabs in Sudan and non-Sunni Arabs in Iraq. The same garbage that preaches violence in literally thousands of Sunni Arab sponsered Madrasas between Cairo and Islamabad and in Europe.
    There's no doubt that Arabs under the flag of Sunni Islam produce some of the most lethal groups we've had to face since the end of the Cold War.


    Bashir = Sunni Arab
    Hussein = Sunni Arab
    Al-Queda = Sunni Arabs
    House of Saud = Sunni Arabs
    Qutb = Sunni Arab
    Muslim Brotherhood = Sunni Arabs
    Wahhabi = Sunni Arab

    Etcetera.
    This is a true list. I will explain my problems with such a list at the end of your post.

    The Sunni Arab is the great oppressor and brutalizer of the Middle East. There is a clear pattern. They are fond of talking about western imperialism and we ourselves love to self flagilate, but Sunni Arabs have been masters of imperializing their own into tribal allegiance long before The Ottoman Empire rolled across Europe.

    Don't confuse what I stated as an absolute. What occurs between Pakistan and India is border instigated. India's attackers is India's problem to settle. They want our help, fine. But our problem is the Sunni Arab across the region and their fanatic base.

    Marines in the Philippines since 9/11 have fought Sunni Arab loyalists. In Chad, Somalia, and Ethiopia? Sunni Arab loyalists. The sooner we start looking at them as one Islamic nation and then as separate tribes, the better it will be because it means we will finally look at their world through their eyes. The vast majority of all Muslims are unwittingly victims of forced loyalty towards a the Sunni Arabic tribe rather than God.
    Spanning the term Sunni Arab loyalists to include Ethiopia, Chad, Somalia, and the Philippines suggests that these militants are banded together under Sunni Islam, and that they reject their selfish desires. I believe this is a fallacy in an analysis of Islamic Extremism.

    Qutbism and Wahab are different ideologues, yes both have the basis of Sunni Islam and both influence Radical Jihadis, but foundations don't always determine a similar structure. Lets not forget that Qutbs entire premise is validated thru his personal impression of Western society.

    al-Bashir and al-Turabi were together out of necessity; Bashir did not fancy Turabi's affinity for the Islamic Theorists/Jihadists and thought that their benefits were to support themselves and not the Sunni Arabs fleeing from the Middle East (Usama and Crew).

    al-Qa'ida kills regardless of adversary. Their entire rhetoric is one part anti-colonialism, one part anti-zionism, and one part jihadi. Yet, as we saw in August 2009, al-Qa'ida targets Hamas when it benefits their calling. Put a Sunni Arab voice against al-Qa'ida and you will see that Sunni Arab voice destroyed, brutally.

    Huessin (I believe you are talking about Saddam) was a secular leader. He applied the Takbir to the Iraqi flag, so people could not burn the flag; a pure secular leader who used religion to captivate the masses.

    I am not saying you are wrong, the Master Sarg. formerly known as Gunny, and I do agree with you to a certain extent.

    But that extent stops at believing that there is a Sunni Arab tribe mentality in the Greater Middle-East. Selfishness always dominates, always.
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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    Wow, article. King and Hoekstra appear to be spinning like mad, trying to explain the differences in response to Bush and response to Obama.

    I haven't been paying too much attention to news in the last week or so. I didn't realize that Republicans were using this as a political attack. That is very disheartening, IMO.
    You're right, you simply can't criticize the the president during a time of war.



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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    You're right, you simply can't criticize the the president during a time of war.

    So just to check. Where you supporting these peoples right to protest against Bush during a time of war and felt it was okay for them to do so and defended them against people criticizing them for doing so?

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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    You remember incorrectly, Bush did not give up golfing. He did SAY he was doing that. But, you know, he lied.

    I can't believe you continued the partisan attack on Obama's response after Dana posted that politico article. Holy. Flipping. Wow.

    LIES!!! ALL LIES!! Sheesh, you true believers just kill me.

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    By Dan Eggen
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Wednesday, May 14, 2008

    President Bush said yesterday that he gave up golfing in 2003 "in solidarity" with the families of soldiers who were dying in Iraq, concluding that it was "just not worth it anymore" to play the sport in a time of war.

    "I don't want some mom whose son may have recently died to see the commander in chief playing golf," Bush said in a White House interview with the Politico. "I feel I owe it to the families to be as -- to be in solidarity as best as I can with them. And I think playing golf during a war just sends the wrong signal."

    Bush said he decided to stop playing golf on Aug. 19, 2003, when a truck bomb in Baghdad killed U.N. special representative Sergio Vieira de Mello and more than a dozen others.

    He said he received word of the attack while playing golf during a stay at the family ranch near Crawford, Tex. Press reports at the time indicate he took the call from Condoleezza Rice, then his national security adviser.

    "They pulled me off the golf course, and I said it's just not worth it anymore to do," Bush said in yesterday's interview.......
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