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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    But, not in practical experience. Actual, "street smarts"--for lack of a better term--trumps most factors.

    Picture yourself working in a field. You have two colleagues to whom you can turn for advice. One has 30 years of experience, the other has 5 years. Which one's opinion would you trust more?
    Whichever one isn't a moron.

    I would take the word of an intelligent and thoughtful 18 year old over an idiotic 60 year old every time.

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Quite some time? We knew that day on live news and in articles the next day. Where are you getting such misinformation?

    Again completely false. We knew what he shouted and what people had said about his attitude, his dress and his opinions. We also knew he tried extremely hard to get out of service overseas.
    If you're going to get all angry, try rereading my post and understanding what I was saying. I was not saying that we did not find out that information relatively quickly. What I was saying is that we did not find that information out for several hours - until long after people like apdst were calling this guy a terrorist.

    If you go back and actually read the thread, you'll see that people like him were blaming this on Islamic terrorism when the only thing we knew was the guy's name.

    So what? The soldier's actions alone showed his intentions.
    And the guy who shot up his workplace 2 days after the Fort Hood incident? You could tell that that wasn't terrorism just based on his name?

    So are shootings where Allahu Akbar is shouted.

    But please continue digging a hole for yourself. List all the non terrorist shootings where Allahu Akbar was shouted and it wasn't Islamic Terrorism.
    Try paying attention to what we're talking about. Again, the issue is not whether the guy said allah akbar. It's that people were calling this islamic terrorism hours before we knew that he said that.

    BTW, just to blow away your excuses about how slow we got information on this, here is an article posted the next day with the Islamic terrorist's name.
    Jesus christ dude - I posted an article with the guy's name about 3 hours after it happened. You really don't seem to get the point.
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If a whit soldier killed two+ minority soldiers--since two seems to be the starting point of a mass killing--and that solder was a bonefide member of the KKK or Skinheads; would you have any doubt that the killings were racially motivated? Or, would you take the same wait and see attitude?
    The point is that you didn't know **** about his affiliations before you were willing to label him a terrorist. You saw a terroristy-name and that was all you needed. ****, I doubt you even needed that.
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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    So the rhetoric of the violator defines the actions? That's a bit bizarre.
    The rhetoric can give you a clue when investigating. And that rhetoric points to the man being a devout Muslim. My my...but then aren't the 5 from northern Va imprisoned in Pakistan devout Muslims? What of the 9-11 hijackers? The USS Cole bombers? All of al-Qaeda, everyone of the Taliban, every Palestinian bus bomber, as a matter of fact, it's every two bit dictator in the ME....is a devout Muslim. The common denominator so clear and obvious, one would have to be well...bizarre to miss it.

    What you are trying to say is that what the Fort Hood shooter said, is more important than what he did.
    I'm saying his final words spoken by many a radical Islamist prior to their final actions reveal a fairly obvious common denominator here. Ain't like you gotta be Sherlock Holmes to figure that out.

    No religions inspire to kill.
    Asleep in history class?

    No religions kill.
    Correct, man kills in the name of religion and inspired by that religion in many cases.

    No religions inspire.
    I go to Church every sunday and sit next to people inspired by religion, I've seen it do good in places you've never heard of. You're really incorrect here.

    Only people are capable of being inspired, and inspire to kill.
    Then religion is used...by people to inspire, how about that? Good enough? Cause, it's being used by people...on people right now. Are you blind to this?
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    When it comes to the problem with how the Obama administration is handling this issue, Karl Rove nails it.

    RealClearPolitics - Video - Karl Rove Reacts To Obama Speech On Attempted Terror Attack

    Let's see how many people here respond to the actual video, and how many attack Karl Rove.

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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    When it comes to the problem with how the Obama administration is handling this issue, Karl Rove nails it.

    RealClearPolitics - Video - Karl Rove Reacts To Obama Speech On Attempted Terror Attack

    Let's see how many people here respond to the actual video, and how many attack Karl Rove.

    Karl Rove is a prick.


    Didn't want to disappoint

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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    Karl Rove is a prick.
    He may be, but, he's right here.
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    Karl Rove is a prick.


    Didn't want to disappoint

    I think anyone who points out the truth about this President, or his administration is, in the eyes of the true followers.


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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported


    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I think anyone who points out the truth about this President, or his administration is, in the eyes of the true followers.


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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    When it comes to the problem with how the Obama administration is handling this issue, Karl Rove nails it.

    RealClearPolitics - Video - Karl Rove Reacts To Obama Speech On Attempted Terror Attack

    Let's see how many people here respond to the actual video, and how many attack Karl Rove.
    Karl Rove is a political operative/campaign manager. He's the man behind the worst President in modern history. He's been out of the loop for some time. His opinion is irrelevant.

    That being said, let's look at the video...

    First of all, he was not a "security advisor", he was a dirty-tricks politics planner behind W. Firing of attorneys, smear campaigns, the daily call to Roger Avery, that sort of thing.

    He makes one good point about Amsterdam, then he goes right to the strawman, misrepresenting Obama's speech.

    "Isolated Extremist" does not mean lone wolf or rogue agent. Rove, the partisan hack, immediately tries to attack the President's speech by rewriting it, implying a new meaning. Let's face it, Obama could have taken a similar speech from W., inserted new names and dates, and Rove would still have attacked. It's meaningless hackery.

    This is what's wrong with Fox news. Instead of finding a real expert with a relevant opinion, they drag out Karl Rove's sorry ass as if anything he says on this subject matter is relevant or meaningful. If/When Rahm Emanuel starts firing attorneys or engaging in some other partisan abuse of authority, THEN they should call on Rove to comment.

    Wow, Grim, I got to have my cake and eat it too. I attacked Rove, shredded the video, and, the icing on the cake, pointed out how Fox News continues to function as an extension of the GOP.

    Thank you for that opportunity.

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