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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    IMO, the differences are pretty obvious.

    In the Ft. Hood case, the rational among us urged restraint in our condemnations because it was unclear whether this killing was related to terrorism. First, the guy's name and background didn't come out for quite some time.
    Quite some time? We knew that day on live news and in articles the next day. Where are you getting such misinformation?

    Second, it was not immediately clear whether the guy had any radical tendencies.
    Again completely false. We knew what he shouted and what people had said about his attitude, his dress and his opinions. We also knew he tried extremely hard to get out of service overseas.

    Third, mass shootings happen with relative frequency and only a very small percentage of them are related to terrorism.
    Really. Please list all these mass shootings by US soldiers on other soldiers and civilians since they happen with "relative frequency".

    Your excuses are pathetic.

    In this case, the rational among us still urged restraint, but information was available much more quickly.
    Wrong again as I just demonstrated.

    First, the guy's name and background came out relatively quickly.
    No faster than the solider.

    Second, it was immediately clear that the guy was on terrorist watch lists.
    So what? The soldier's actions alone showed his intentions.

    Third, attempted bombings of planes are very rare and are almost always related to terrorism.
    So are shootings where Allahu Akbar is shouted.

    But please continue digging a hole for yourself. List all the non terrorist shootings where Allahu Akbar was shouted and it wasn't Islamic Terrorism.

    BTW, just to blow away your excuses about how slow we got information on this, here is an article posted the next day with the Islamic terrorist's name.

    http://boingboing.net/2009/11/06/an-...s-view-of.html

    How about another?

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/militar...ort-Hood_N.htm

    Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, an Army psychiatrist who had counseled troops and was upset about being deployed to Afghanistan shouted "Allahu Akbar!" — Arabic for "God is great!" — and opened fire on an unarmed crowd at the Army post Thursday afternoon, military officials said. Thirteen people died and 30 were wounded.

    A disgruntled doctor

    Hasan was born in Virginia and graduated from Virginia Tech, according to The Roanoke Times archives.

    He later received two degrees from the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., according to Hasan's military record and a university newsletter.

    U.S. Rep. Michael McCaul, a Republican from Austin, was briefed by military officials and said Hasan had taken some unusual classes for someone studying about mental health.

    "He took a lot of extra classes in weapons training, which seems a little odd for a psychiatrist," McCaul said.

    McCaul said Hasan had received poor grades for his work at Walter Reed and was not happy about his situation in Fort Hood, where Hasan apparently felt like "he didn't fit in."

    "He's disgruntled because he had a poor performance evaluation, he doesn't believe in the mission, he's looking at getting transferred to Afghanistan or Iraq," McCaul said. "He's not happy about all that."

    McCaul added that officials planned to interview Hasan to try to determine for sure that he was not working with foreign agents.

    "From an intelligence standpoint, that's key, finding out if he talked to anyone overseas," McCaul said.

    Hasan had come to the attention of federal law enforcement officials at least six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats, according to a federal law enforcement official who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the case.

    The official said investigators were trying to confirm that Hasan was the author of the postings, one of which was a blog that equates suicide bombers with a soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save the lives of his comrades. One of the officials said federal search warrants were being drawn up to authorize seizure of Hasan's computer.



    Face it, your excuses that we didn't have enough information when articles not only listing his full name, what he shouted and his history were clear the next day.

    Your pathetic excuse that we didn't have information for "quite some time" has been proven completely false and smacks of excuses for your own inability to admit the truth about this Islamic terrorist from the beginning.


    The only difference is the method of attacking Americans. So my question still stands. Why did one Islamic Terrorist receive all the excuses from liberals while the other was condemned immediatly?

    The answer is simple. Hasan succeeded so liberals went into full defense mode not wanting to admit this was the first sucessful mass attack by Islamic Terrorists under Obama.
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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Really. Please list all these mass shootings by US soldiers on other soldiers and civilians since they happen with "relative frequency".
    I counted 5 since 2003.

    Timeline: Fatal shootings on U.S. bases - CNN.com

    Give or take one a year.
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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I counted 5 since 2003.

    Timeline: Fatal shootings on U.S. bases - CNN.com

    Give or take one a year.
    Well lets see here.

    The first one was another Islamic Terrorist attack, Hasan Ackbar.

    Two others only 2 soliders died in each not including the gunman. Hardly mass attacks.

    Now you're down to one attack.

    Hardly supports the charge he made of "relative frequency"
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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Well lets see here.

    The first one was another Islamic Terrorist attack, Hasan Ackbar.

    Two others only 2 soliders died in each not including the gunman. Hardly mass attacks.

    Now you're down to one attack.

    Hardly supports the charge he made of "relative frequency"
    A mass shooting in the U.S. is not something which is rare at all though. - matter of fact we get AT LEAST 2-3 mass shootings a year. At every establishment. And while they might occur in some places more than others, it should come as no surprise that in a nation where a sizeable percentage of citizens report some sort of mental malaise, there would be AT LEAST one mass shooting at an army base. Just because it doesn't happen often, doesn't mean it simply doesn't happen. It does. This is proof that it can.
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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    , it should come as no surprise that in a nation where a sizeable percentage of citizens report some sort of mental malaise, there would be AT LEAST one mass shooting at an army base. Just because it doesn't happen often, doesn't mean it simply doesn't happen. It does. This is proof that it can.
    Doesn't happen where the words God is Great prempt the killings.

    See...other shootings there are normally reasons why. A workplace shooting the most common, someone all upset they didn;t get a raise or were fired...these people can easily be explained, they snapped.

    Concerning Fort Hood, these seems to be someone who was inspiring Hasan, in fact, an entire religion was inspiring him.

    And...I don't see anyone after a mass killing here in the US being called a great anything. You'll note, when a terrorist unleashes death, it's praised and congratulated by many. No one condones or approves of mass shootings like at Va Tech or Columbine.
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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    Profiling is how we look for people of a certain description, that have the same ethnic background as people we are at war with. Better than shaking down four year old kids in strollers. ---the policy now, is to not look at those same people, but rather at people that don't fit the description. ---It is like a Man robs a bank, --so the cops stop all women.---don't want to be guilty of "Profiling"
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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    Doesn't happen where the words God is Great prempt the killings.
    What?

    See...other shootings there are normally reasons why. A workplace shooting the most common, someone all upset they didn;t get a raise or were fired...these people can easily be explained, they snapped.

    Concerning Fort Hood, these seems to be someone who was inspiring Hasan, in fact, an entire religion was inspiring him.

    And...I don't see anyone after a mass killing here in the US being called a great anything. You'll note, when a terrorist unleashes death, it's praised and congratulated by many. No one condones or approves of mass shootings like at Va Tech or Columbine.
    Religion is a reason for why. An abortion doctor got killed earlier this year because of religion. People bomb abortion clinics because of religion. Others incite hate because of religion. Religion is absolutely a reason and motivator for mass murders as much as a political ideology or a grudge.
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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    What?
    Sorry, used an e instead of an o. Mass shootings aren't prompted with God is Great. This was a Islamic inspired terror attack, there's a difference you don't see?

    Religion is a reason for why. An abortion doctor got killed earlier this year because of religion. People bomb abortion clinics because of religion. Others incite hate because of religion. Religion is absolutely a reason and motivator for mass murders as much as a political ideology or a grudge.
    True, but the target is the abortion doctor who is seen as a murderer, that is the normal MO. Secondly, other religions strongly voice out concerning these actions, no one harbors or accepts that behavior.

    Finally, where all religions have inspired to kill, no religion stands historically as violent as Islam. No religion has expanded so far so fast, no religion is reacted to with such violence, no other religion teaches eternal salvation for killing an infidel.
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    Sorry, used an e instead of an o. Mass shootings aren't prompted with God is Great. This was a Islamic inspired terror attack, there's a difference you don't see?
    So the rhetoric of the violator defines the actions? That's a bit bizarre.

    What you are trying to say is that what the Fort Hood shooter said, is more important than what he did.




    Finally, where all religions have inspired to kill, no religion stands historically as violent as Islam. No religion has expanded so far so fast, no religion is reacted to with such violence, no other religion teaches eternal salvation for killing an infidel.
    No religions inspire to kill.
    No religions kill.
    No religions inspire.

    Only people are capable of being inspired, and inspire to kill.
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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    So the rhetoric of the violator defines the actions? That's a bit bizarre.
    If a whit soldier killed two+ minority soldiers--since two seems to be the starting point of a mass killing--and that solder was a bonefide member of the KKK or Skinheads; would you have any doubt that the killings were racially motivated? Or, would you take the same wait and see attitude?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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