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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    Quote Originally Posted by MC.no.spin View Post
    The guy was on a watch list, lowest tier, yet wasn't fully searched before boarding a U.S. bound aircraft?

    Someone probably didn't want to be accused of profiling.

    Who wants to bet the dude had a one way ticket to Detroit and no luggage? Nothing suspicious about that. No way!
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    AP sources: Al-Qaida link in failed plane attack

    ROMULUS, Mich. – A Nigerian man who said he was an agent for al-Qaida tried to blow up a Northwest Airlines plane Friday as it was preparing to land in Detroit, but travelers who smelled smoke and heard what sounded like firecrackers rushed to subdue him, the passengers and federal officials said.

    AP sources: Al-Qaida link in failed plane attack - Yahoo! News

    So we have yet another Islamic terrorist attack this one thankfully was simply attempted but did not succeed.

    Just out of curiosity, can we call this guy a Islamic terrorist now or are we going to go through the same BS we did with the Islamic terrorist solider in Texas with some claiming we have to "wait and see"?

    And exactly how are they different other than the fact one used a gun instead of a bomb?
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    Re: AP sources: Al-Qaida link in failed plane attack

    This Nigerian guy clearly suffered from pre-posttramatic stress syndrome.

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    Re: AP sources: Al-Qaida link in failed plane attack

    It shouldn't get to this level, terrorism prevention shouldn't be dependent on the terrorist's incapability.
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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    This Richard Reid aka Abdul Raheem?

    The ignorance struts its stuff. Someone who takes an islamic sounding name suddenly becomes an arab? This is your racial profiling.

    A British citizen born in Bromley, South London and educated at Thomas Tallis School in Kidbrooke, London. He is the son of an English mother and a Jamaican father Wikipedia.

    What you guys seem to mean is that we profile any guys called Abdul or Mohammed?

    Every time there is a terrorist attack the response is to match bigotry with bigotry.

    THATS WHAT THEY WANT.

    What El Al does, quietly and unobtrusively, is something else. The truth is, that despite, not because of this sickening prejudice that calls for persecution and abuse of non white people, airlines and intelligence do target people selectively for scrutiny over and above random screening.

    But dickheads in airport lines just have to get a steam up slagging off liberals because they have to wait at security.

    911 happened in the way it did because prior to 911 security in US airports, in stark comparison to the rest of the world, was a joke. Airports were like bus stations. You went through an x ray so quickly. Half the time the security guy wasn't looking. He was on minimum wage anyway so what did he care. Every European who travelled to the US was shocked by the lax security.

    Most terrorist attacks now are prevented by intelligence. Demonizing the world's muslims might make some small American willies go hard, but it will help dry up intelligence from these sources and put my life at risk. Now that the USA takes security seriously and has a President that doesn't think this is all cowboys and injuns, we might travel safer. But until these terrorists are defeated politically as well as militarily, we will always be targets in the war on terror and some of us will get killed.
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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What about guys that look this? Think it would have made a difference if these dudes never got on a commercial aircraft?

    The upper right one looks like a cousin of mine.

    Seriously, out of all the stupid posts made over the course of this past year, I think this might be the stupidest. Profile for people who look arabic, and terrorists will just use people who can look nonarabic(and this is pretty easy), with the net result of us being no more secure, and pissing off those who are innocent of wrongdoing. Brilliant plan.
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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Newsflash: metal detectors don't detect explosives.

    And, no, I don't agree that racial profiling is counter productive. On Septemeber 11th 2001, some racial profiling would have saved thousands of American lives. Hurt some one's feeling, or save 3,000 lives? Not much of a brain teaser making that choice.
    Well I dispute that it would, if there was an established policy of racial profiling then Al Qaeda would have found a way round it through the most obvious option available. Metal detection doesnt prevent explosives but it should prevent people from bringing knifes onto a plane. That certainly would have helped on 9/11.

    Alot of people are making the point that we are having more trouble from Arab muslims then non Arab muslims. While this is the case I would argue that

    1 What does an Arab look like? Yassar Arafat was just as fair skinned as many Europeans whereas many Yemenis are alot darker.

    2 Its would not be that difficult for Al-Qaeda to recruit non-Arabs, there was an attempted nail bombing in England by someone who was 100% Anglo-Saxon but a convert to Islam. They certainly have plenty of allies in Chechnya and Kosovo.

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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The upper right one looks like a cousin of mine.
    Yeah I was going to say the guy on the bottom right could pass for a Peruvian ,its a pretty diverse profile

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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Well I dispute that it would, if there was an established policy of racial profiling then Al Qaeda would have found a way round it through the most obvious option available. Metal detection doesnt prevent explosives but it should prevent people from bringing knifes onto a plane. That certainly would have helped on 9/11.

    Alot of people are making the point that we are having more trouble from Arab muslims then non Arab muslims. While this is the case I would argue that

    1 What does an Arab look like? Yassar Arafat was just as fair skinned as many Europeans whereas many Yemenis are alot darker.

    2 Its would not be that difficult for Al-Qaeda to recruit non-Arabs, there was an attempted nail bombing in England by someone who was 100% Anglo-Saxon but a convert to Islam. They certainly have plenty of allies in Chechnya and Kosovo.
    You're missing the point. This isn't about preventing terrorism. It's about an outlet for bigotry and frustration against muslims for people whose testosterone levels are too high and who want to vent at mooslims.

    Sensible reasoning, knowledge of the facts, ability to construct arguments logically, experience of life...these are all superfluous to the discussion. I mean it's round 'em up and shoot 'em, all 1.2 billion of 'em, yabba yabba yabba yabba....
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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Someone probably didn't want to be accused of profiling.

    Who wants to bet the dude had a one way ticket to Detroit and no luggage? Nothing suspicious about that. No way!
    He was also in possession of a 2 year US visa expiring in 2010. How does someone who's a on watch list, as low tier as it was, get a visa to begin with and then is not properly searched before boarding a US plane?

    Me thinks someone at Schiphol Airport is in deep doodoo right now.
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