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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What do you suggest we do, since you've explained to us what not to do. Or are you just going to keep the troll patrol rolling along?

    It was beautiful watching you being reined in with such disciplined self control by Arch Enemy, as you dug and dug. Tell me buddy, do you think those brown guys with turbans are a-rabs too? How about Mohammed Ali? I mean is he descended from a-rabs? Pretty dodgy sounding name there, don't you think?

    You still don't get it do you? Here you are pontificating about racial profiling and you are just posting gibberish about "race". Arabs are...anyone you decide is an arab apparently. So Afghanis, Persians, Pakistanis... all arabs apparently. And you were so sure of yourself...delicious.

    How about Jews? Given the close relationship that Jews have racially with arabs (both are semites), would you stop and search the arab dressed as a rabbi, or an orthodox Jew? Or is it just a case of how dark someone's skin is so anyone with "a touch of the tar brush" will do?

    Please don't get a job with homeland security. I fly in and out of the USA a lot. I value my life, and would really like to trust it to people who think these things through, and knows the difference between arabs and Africans, Persians and Punjabis, their arses from their elbows....
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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    Quote Originally Posted by Plato View Post
    It was beautiful watching you being reined in with such disciplined self control. Tell me buddy, do you think those brown guys with turbans are a-rabs too? How about Mohammed Ali? I mean is he descended from a-rabs? Pretty dodgy sounding name there, don't you think?

    You still don't get it do you? Here you are pontificating aboyut racial profiling and you are just posting gibberish about "race". Arabs are...anyone you decide is an arab apparently. So Afghanis, Persians, Pakistanis... all arabs apparently.

    How about Jews? Given the close relationship that Jews have racially with arabs (both are semites), would you stop and search the arab dressed as a rabbi, or an orthodox Jew? Or is it just a case of how dark someone's skin is?

    Please don't get a jon with homeland security. I fly in and out of the USA a lot. I value my life, and would really like it to be left with people who think these things through, and knows the difference between arabs and Africans, Persians and Punjabis, arses from elbows....
    Yeah, let's stick with a system that strip searches 80 y/o grannies and 12 y/o girls. No doubt that's going create an effective anti-terrorism screen.

    If that makes you feel better, then bully for you, but I'm not all that confident in such a system.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah, let's stick with a system that strip searches 80 y/o grannies and 12 y/o girls. No doubt that's going create an effective anti-terrorism screen.

    If that makes you feel better, then bully for you, but I'm not all that confident in such a system.
    System that strip searches grannies and children...I don't know what sort of fantasy land you are living in buddy! I've been triple Sd three times and no-ones got near to a "strip search". I do think searching me five times is a bit of a waste of resources but that's the USA hey, why do anything, when you can over do it.

    Haven't you learned anything from having your argument utterly destroyed and your smug arrogant assertions of who's an arab and who isn't taken down brick by brick? I mean aren't you embarassed at the ignorance in your posts? Do you think that we can take your views seriously after that prejudiced drivel that you wrote?

    Security is complicated. Of course I know you want a simple world where all terrorism is the fault of liberals who are too soft on a-rabs, but unfortunately that sort of drivel is music to the terrorist's ears. You want to search all the dark skinned people in the world, and when the fact is pointed out that this is a stupid, ignorant, malicious, self defeating, moronic, and counter productive idea, all you have to say is " and you horrible terrorist loving liberals will just stand back and do nothing, apart from rape and murder grannies and eat babies...rah, rah, rant, rant....".

    Security will be enforced by greater technology, and by wider intelligence. Not by increase bigotry and racism towards people from developing countries. Wider intelligence needs the winning of hearts and minds of secular minded people from the islamic influenced communities where islamofascist terrorists come from. This starts with respecting their culture and traditions, within the confines of liberal democratic values (yes we should be as intolerant of homophobia from muslim bigots as we are of it from Christian bigots) instead of labeling them all as terrorist sympathizers. Good intelligence also leads to breaking the finances of terrorist groups.

    As to this case, it has remarkable similarity with that of the shoe bomber. The shoe bomber, Richard Reid, was a white European. The only way to have stopped him would have been by random screening, where luck would have been needed, or by much better intelligence from the islamic community that he had joined.
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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    Quote Originally Posted by Plato View Post
    System that strip searches grannies and children...I don't know what sort of fantasy land you are living in buddy! I've been triple Sd three times and no-ones got near to a "strip search". I do think searching me five times is a bit of a waste of resources but that's the USA hey, why do anything, when you can over do it.

    Haven't you learned anything from having your argument utterly destroyed and your smug arrogant assertions of who's an arab and who isn't taken down brick by brick? I mean aren't you embarassed at the ignorance in your posts? Do you think that we can take your views seriously after that prejudiced drivel that you wrote?

    Security is complicated. Of course I know you want a simple world where all terrorism is the fault of liberals who are too soft on a-rabs, but unfortunately that sort of drivel is music to the terrorist's ears. You want to search all the dark skinned people in the world, and when the fact is pointed out that this is a stupid, ignorant, malicious, self defeating, moronic, and counter productive idea, all you have to say is " and you horrible terrorist loving liberals will just stand back and do nothing, apart from rape and murder grannies and eat babies...rah, rah, rant, rant....".

    Security will be enforced by greater technology, and by wider intelligence. Not by increase bigotry and racism towards people from developing countries. Wider intelligence needs the winning of hearts and minds of secular minded people from the islamic influenced communities where islamofascist terrorists come from. This starts with respecting their culture and traditions, within the confines of liberal democratic values (yes we should be as intolerant of homophobia from muslim bigots as we are of it from Christian bigots) instead of labeling them all as terrorist sympathizers. Good intelligence also leads to breaking the finances of terrorist groups.

    As to this case, it has remarkable similarity with that of the shoe bomber. The shoe bomber, Richard Reid, was a white European. The only way to have stopped him would have been by random screening, where luck would have been needed, or by much better intelligence from the islamic community that he had joined.
    This is the world I live in and sadly it's no fantasy.

    GRAND RAPIDS, Mich. – The daughters of an 80-year-old great-grandmother said Tuesday that their mother was strip-searched at Gerald R. Ford International Airport after her knee replacement set off metal detectors.

    Great-Grandmother Strip-Searched at Airport
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    This scares me.
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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Well yes there is in that your making Al-Qaedas job extreamly easy. Like i said all they have to do is send a lighter skinned Muslim through while airport security are busy searching a Lebanese Christian.
    Doh, I said profiling, not blindness.

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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    Don't let up em gang up on you apdst!

    We Spend BILLIONS of wasted hours because of the predelictions and past actions of what is 98% of the SAME people.
    all of which could be Eliminated with discrete profiling.
    Airports could return to sanity-- an Hour EACH way eliminated for Hundred of Millions.
    We could Again, have Silverware, Liquids, Not have our Grandma's Frisked in the name of PC, etc.
    Remember?

    In Defence of Racial Profiling
    Written by: Anthony Reich
    December 6, 2009

    In Defence of Racial Profiling | The Israel Situation


    ".....El Al has long been acknowledged as having very effective security procedures in place to guarantee the safety of its passengers. It would be widely, if not universally agreed that El Al is probably the airline that is most at risk to international terrorism in today’s world. So, whilst El Al cannot afford to take any chances with its security, it is still forced to compete on equal terms with other airlines for its business. The fact that it is forced to implement more extensive security arrangements to secure its passengers will not justify charging its passengers more on ticket prices. This would almost certainly put it out of business. Instead, El Al is forced to work “smarter” to guarantee security whilst limiting its prices to be able to compete against others for its business.

    Working smarter means many things. Amongst others, it means NOT forcing all passengers through the full extent of its security checks.
    If the airline is going to be able to reduce the security checks that it applies, it needs to decide which passengers will go through full security and which passengers it can afford to apply reduced security checks to. Because security cannot be applied on a random basis, the airline is forced to assess the risk that each passenger presents. During the course of this risk assessment, the airline has decided that Muslim passengers present a higher risk to the safety of the airline than other passengers.
    This conclusion was not reached in a haphazard or discriminatory fashion. It was reached on the basis of actual events that have taken place in recent years,
    and on the basis of actual threats that have been made against the airline, against Jews and against Israel and Israelis who comprise the bulk of its passengers. The reality is that the more terror threats and attacks around the world have been perpetrated by Muslims and Arabs than by any other nation or group. This fact cannot be ignored, and this cannot be blamed on El Al security.

    The policy of racial profiling was challenged in a filing in the Israeli Supreme Court earlier this year. The challenge made by a civil rights group alleged that Arabs are singled out for tougher treatment by El Al security. The respondent did not deny this fact. It was mentioned that in the US the law prohibits racial profiling, and requires that passengers be singled out for security checks on a random basis rather than according to race

    I feel that the policy of racial profiling adopted by El Al has more than justified itself. The airline has an exemplary security record
    which, for passengers, is the most important point. In addition, it is still in a position to compete against other airlines who do not have the same level of security threat to deal with. It is also noticeable that El Al was Not forced to make wholesale changes to its security checks in light of the additional threats presented in the post-September 11 world.

    El Al is the ONLY airline that routinely continues to use stainless steel cutlery on all its flights, and Israel is the ONLY airport that continues to allow passengers to board flights with liquids in their hand luggage. In fact, it is my impression that El Al checks are much easier to negotiate these days than those of other airlines.
    I have never yet been asked to remove my belt or shoes prior to boarding an El Al flight. I cannot say the same for other airlines that I have recently flown with.

    It remains clear to me is that racial profiling is an Important and Valid part of El Al’s security process and can easily be justified.


    The profiling is based upon a Real and identifiable threat posed by a certain group of people, and is Not based on random discrimination. In order for this policy to be rescinded, the onus is not on the airline. Rather, the onus is on Arabs and Muslims to prove in the future that they do not present the same threat to airlines as they do now. Instead of being critical of El Al, perhaps the criticism should be reserved for those who are the cause of the lack of airline security, and who perpetrate terrorist acts on airlines and elsewhere...."
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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    Quote Originally Posted by Plato View Post
    The shoe bomber, Richard Reid, was a white European.
    This Richard Reid aka Abdul Raheem?

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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    Quote Originally Posted by Plato View Post
    It was beautiful watching you being reined in with such disciplined self control by Arch Enemy, as you dug and dug. Tell me buddy, do you think those brown guys with turbans are a-rabs too? How about Mohammed Ali? I mean is he descended from a-rabs? Pretty dodgy sounding name there, don't you think?

    You still don't get it do you? Here you are pontificating about racial profiling and you are just posting gibberish about "race". Arabs are...anyone you decide is an arab apparently. So Afghanis, Persians, Pakistanis... all arabs apparently. And you were so sure of yourself...delicious.

    How about Jews? Given the close relationship that Jews have racially with arabs (both are semites), would you stop and search the arab dressed as a rabbi, or an orthodox Jew? Or is it just a case of how dark someone's skin is so anyone with "a touch of the tar brush" will do?

    Please don't get a job with homeland security. I fly in and out of the USA a lot. I value my life, and would really like to trust it to people who think these things through, and knows the difference between arabs and Africans, Persians and Punjabis, their arses from their elbows....
    I fly a ton too, and I would like those that fit the profile of a perpetrator checked at a much higher rate.

    Look at who has committed the preponderance of crimes. It's not WASPs.

    It's as Alan Keyes so eloquently noted during the 2000 Republican Primaries:
    KEYES: I know everybody thinks that this doing some favor to a racial group, but if our police and enforcement people have the experience that a given crime is disproportionately being committed by folks from a given ethnic group, we are now going to pass a law that says you can't notice that?

    I -- I...

    KING: But they haven't done the crime yet.

    KEYES: Excuse me, no, no. All I'm saying is we're going to pass a law and we're going to enforce a law that says that we can't notice the characteristics of individuals who commit crimes and develop profiles to help folks pursue the solving of crimes based on our experience.

    Experience by the way is not prejudice. Prejudice is an opinion you form apart from experience, prior to experience. An opinion formed based on experience is not prejudice. It is judgment. And I think our law enforcement officers ought to be able to...

    KING: You wouldn't mind being stopped by a car if there was a high prevalence of...

    KEYES: You know the person I would blame for that? If there are black folks out there disproportionately committing certain kinds of crime, my parents raised me to know that I represent the race in every thing I do. And I wish that everybody would take that attitude and stop committing crimes and doing things that bring a bad reputation on to people.

    KING: But if you were stopped...

    KEYES: That's what I resent.

    KING: ... if you were stopped you wouldn't be angry?

    KEYES: I just told you who I would be angry at.
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    Re: Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

    The guy was on a watch list, lowest tier, yet wasn't fully searched before boarding a U.S. bound aircraft?

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