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Passenger Ignites Explosive on Delta Flight, Al Qaeda Connection Reported

Now, that is a stupid statement. Are you one of those folks that stereotypes me, just because I'm black? Please, tell me you're not. Black dudes can't listen to Merle Haggard? That's reserved for the white boys? I can bust with some Robert Johnson. How's that for a Southron culuhed bahwee?

Take time to get your foot out of your mouth, if you need.

Of course you can listen to Myrle Haggard. I'm just surprised that anyone (particularly a purported black person who is active in politics) has never heard of Mos Def, despite his incredibly influential role in hip hop, his acting career, his political involvement, etc.

At the very least, I would have thought you would have known about his views on Islam and 9/11, because that would have given you another evil liberal terrorist-sympathizer to demonize.
 
Jumping into the thread late -

Some thoughts -

1. I flew through Amsterdam to Detroit about 2 weeks ago and I'm wondering how this guy got on board. Security in Amsterdam is at the gate and pretty intense - questioning, metal detectors, rather thorough patdowns for everyone. Something went wrong with the process.

2. I didn't read every post, but a lot, and it seems that a lot of folks don't really know what intelligent profiling is. It's not just visual. It's looking at several different factors and then determining whether a person should have a further look - when was ticket purchased (last minute), was it paid for in cash, is it one-way, how much luggage, personal background, etc. This is what we should be doing rather than the random nonsense we do today (at least in the USA).

3. Now it's likely that we're going to over-react and implement stupid procedures (like removing shoes) that will hassle everyone and accomplish very little. Rather depressing for those of us who travel frequently.
 
2. I didn't read every post, but a lot, and it seems that a lot of folks don't really know what intelligent profiling is. It's not just visual. It's looking at several different factors and then determining whether a person should have a further look - when was ticket purchased (last minute), was it paid for in cash, is it one-way, how much luggage, personal background, etc. This is what we should be doing rather than the random nonsense we do today (at least in the USA)

Nobody is opposed to this. What we're opposed to is the "electrocute all Muslims who have the temerity to try to board planes" approach espoused by people like apdst.
 
Of course you can listen to Myrle Haggard. I'm just surprised that anyone (particularly a purported black person who is active in politics) has never heard of Mos Def, despite his incredibly influential role in hip hop, his acting career, his political involvement, etc.

At the very least, I would have thought you would have known about his views on Islam and 9/11, because that would have given you another evil liberal terrorist-sympathizer to demonize.


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But, hey, I'm black. I guess th next stupid assumption you're gonna make is that I don't work for a living.
 
Jumping into the thread late -

Some thoughts -

1. I flew through Amsterdam to Detroit about 2 weeks ago and I'm wondering how this guy got on board. Security in Amsterdam is at the gate and pretty intense - questioning, metal detectors, rather thorough patdowns for everyone. Something went wrong with the process.

2. I didn't read every post, but a lot, and it seems that a lot of folks don't really know what intelligent profiling is. It's not just visual. It's looking at several different factors and then determining whether a person should have a further look - when was ticket purchased (last minute), was it paid for in cash, is it one-way, how much luggage, personal background, etc. This is what we should be doing rather than the random nonsense we do today (at least in the USA).

3. Now it's likely that we're going to over-react and implement stupid procedures (like removing shoes) that will hassle everyone and accomplish very little. Rather depressing for those of us who travel frequently.


Good post! Profiling is used all the time, and is useful. Racial, or religious, or ethnic profiling is not useful.


Also, welcome to DP! Nice to meetcha :2wave:
 
Nobody is opposed to this. What we're opposed to is the "electrocute all Muslims who have the temerity to try to board planes" approach espoused by people like apdst.

Actually there is quite a bit of opposition to this. A system that would have allowed people to submit themselves to intense advanced scrutiny in order to be allowed to bypass security was scuttled due to 'civil rights' advocates.


But, yes, I understand that there's a lot of back and forth regarding who to visually profile - I wasn't really referring to that as it's rather dumb.


The airlines are going to take a big hit again if we don't start dealing with security intelligently. If I have to start getting to the airport 4 hours early, it will further add to the list of places that I'll just drive to, to avoid the hassle.
 
Good post! Profiling is used all the time, and is useful. Racial, or religious, or ethnic profiling is not useful.

But, like, or not, it's a part of it.
 
Good post! Profiling is used all the time, and is useful. Racial, or religious, or ethnic profiling is not useful.


Also, welcome to DP! Nice to meetcha :2wave:

Thanks for the welcome!

I'm another Whistlestopper refugee.
 
But, hey, I'm black. I guess th next stupid assumption you're gonna make is that I don't work for a living.

No, because unlike you, I don't attribute negative characteristics to entire racial or religious groups based on the actions of a few people.
 
But, like, or not, it's a part of it.


No, it's not. I'm surprised to see you say that. It's already been demonstrated in this thread that it is impossible, for example, to spot the 'Muslim'. There's no facts to back up the assertion that stopping members of a single race will help catch a person bent on violence. Stopping every member of a racial group will make screening as useless as the current no-fly list. What is needed is whittling down numbers to manageable, useful levels for further screening or attention.


What you are advocating will make us less safe, not more.
 
No, because unlike you, I don't attribute negative characteristics to entire racial or religious groups based on the actions of a few people.

Well, then, you've led a seriousy sheltered life! When you get another 15 years under your belt, you'll see what I'm talking about.

I used to think like that...then I grew up.
 
Well, then, you've led a seriousy sheltered life! When you get another 15 years under your belt, you'll see what I'm talking about.

I used to think like that...then I grew up.



I think Right is not the one who's led the sheltered life :roll:
 
No, it's not. I'm surprised to see you say that. It's already been demonstrated in this thread that it is impossible, for example, to spot the 'Muslim'. There's no facts to back up the assertion that stopping members of a single race will help catch a person bent on violence. Stopping every member of a racial group will make screening as useless as the current no-fly list. What is needed is whittling down numbers to manageable, useful levels for further screening or attention.


What you are advocating will make us less safe, not more.


Yes, it is. If you see a white guy named Bob Johnson, with an Americanpasspor travelling from Nigeria to Detoit with a one way ticket and no luggage, you're not going to pay it as much mind as you would if Mustaffa Muhammed did the same thing. Just reality, dude.
 
Yes, it is. If you see a white guy named Bob Johnson, with an Americanpasspor travelling from Nigeria to Detoit with a one way ticket and no luggage, you're not going to pay it as much mind as you would if Mustaffa Muhammed did the same thing. Just reality, dude.

So let's say you see a black guy with a name like Bob Johnson with an American passport traveling from Nigeria to Detroit with a one way ticket and no luggage. Would you say we should ignore that too? The only difference between that guy and your example is black v. white, while the only difference between that guy and this bomber was the name.

Are you really arguing that we should base our security procedures on someone's name? That's just asinine.

Well, then, you've led a seriousy sheltered life! When you get another 15 years under your belt, you'll see what I'm talking about.

I used to think like that...then I grew up.

Yes, if only I were 15 years older, I'd know that I'm insufficiently bigoted.
 
So let's say you see a black guy with a name like Bob Johnson with an American passport traveling from Nigeria to Detroit with a one way ticket and no luggage. Would you say we should ignore that too? The only difference between that guy and your example is black v. white, while the only difference between that guy and this bomber was the name.

Are you really arguing that we should base our security procedures on someone's name? That's just asinine.

If the black Bob Johnson has an American passport and conducts himslf well, I'm not going to pay him as much attention, no.

Are you saying that we need to swamp Bob an ignore Muhommed? There's assinin for ya's. No, wait, that's just stupid.
 
Yes, if only I were 15 years older, I'd know that I'm insufficiently bigoted.

Oh! Now, I'm biggoted. Gee whiz! Should I report that post? Oh, wait, you're a mod, it would be a waste of time.

What are you? 23?
 
Yes, it is. If you see a white guy named Bob Johnson, with an Americanpasspor travelling from Nigeria to Detoit with a one way ticket and no luggage, you're not going to pay it as much mind as you would if Mustaffa Muhammed did the same thing. Just reality, dude.

One way, international flight, no luggage, travelling alone - that guy's getting triple screened, no matter if his name is Mary Sue or if he's green.
 
Are you one of those folks that stereotypes me, just because I'm black?

Are you one of those black folks who don't like being profiled? I guess hypocrites do come in all colours.
 
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One way, international flight, no luggage, travelling alone - that guy's getting triple screened, no matter if his name is Mary Sue or if he's green.

Ok, I'm game. But, let's not let the Liberalism tke over and screen Mary Sue, while we smile and stamp Mustaffa Mohammed righ on through, just because we're scared ****less of being accused of racism.
 
If the black Bob Johnson has an American passport and conducts himslf well, I'm not going to pay him as much attention, no.

Are you saying that we need to swamp Bob an ignore Muhommed? There's assinin for ya's. No, wait, that's just stupid.

Ordering additional screening because of someone's passport, behavior, travel history, or ticket/baggage status: Completely logical (and happens already)

Ordering additional screening because of someone's name, religion, or terroristy-looking skin color: Absolutely moronic.

Oh! Now, I'm biggoted. Gee whiz! Should I report that post? Oh, wait, you're a mod, it would be a waste of time.

I said:

No, because unlike you, I don't attribute negative characteristics to entire racial or religious groups based on the actions of a few people.

You responded:

Well, then, you've led a seriousy sheltered life! When you get another 15 years under your belt, you'll see what I'm talking about.

I used to think like that...then I grew up.

You acknowledge that you attribute negative characteristics to entire racial or religious groups based on the actions of a few people. Definitionally, you are obstinately devoted to your own opinions and prejudices.
 
Ok, I'm game. But, let's not let the Liberalism tke over and screen Mary Sue, while we smile and stamp Mustaffa Mohammed righ on through, just because we're scared ****less of being accused of racism.

And this doesn't happen outside of your imagination.
 
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