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Bernard Madoff beat up in USA Prison

There seems to be a lot of different versions of what his life is like behind bar. I've read he is he head don of all the prisoners and they take care of him.

I've read he had his face smashed in and several of his ribs were broken.
He's someone's bitch, right? :lol:
 
You would have to live under a rock not to know what fate you may face in prison these days so it is simple-you do not wanna go there and be subjected to the bad thing? Do not break the law. Seems simple to me.

Not so much so when innocent people, who didn't break the law, are in prison. Can you read? Look what Don posted. 35 years in prison for a rape he didn't commit. He would have been a PRIME candidate for prison rape and murder because of his crime. Break the law, go to prison. Don't break the law, STILL go to prison. I guess in Kali's little world, NO ONE IS INNOCENT!!! DNA means nothing!!! Lock him up!!

What was his crime, again? That's right. He didn't break the law, but he sure did time in prison as if he had!

We owe that man about 1 million dollars for every year he was locked up, minimum. And a certain percentage should come out of the prosecutors pocket!
 
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Do you really want to sentence someone to life in prison, and to "eat swill and drink sewage" if they're convicted of three minor felonies when they're in their 20s?

In my book the term "minor felony" is an oxymoron. :roll:

But I appreciate you helping me drive home one of my points. The touchy-feely side of crime and punishment. I applaud you for your compassion. Truly, the world needs more of it. However, I think your compassion is misdirected. I won't dog you out for it for that would be hypocritical of me. Once upon a time, I believed we could make a change in these people too. Obviously, my generation failed miserably in rehabilitating CONVICTS. Just as the generation before me did. Just as your's will.

Too soon old, too late smart. :3oops:

If you know someone, or should you happen to be someone, who has to keep score on just how many felonies you have on the board, I'm sorry if my opinion offends you. But I am certain that by the time a man finally get's assigned his number in prison, he's most likely committed countless crimes before they finally caught up to him. If he gets released and STILL goes out and does enough crime to get imprisoned again, screw him and screw him HARD.

But to answer your question, yes. Hell yes.

Cookies and milk anyone? :2wave:
 
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In my book the term "minor felony" is an oxymoron. :roll:

Let's say someone is convicted of stealing a car when he's 18. Then he's convicted of selling marijuana when he's 22. Then he's convicted of drunk driving when he's 25. Does he deserve to spend the rest of his life in a cage?

Captain America said:
But I appreciate you helping me drive home one of my points. The touchy-feely side of crime and punishment. I applaud you for your compassion. Truly, the world needs more of it. However, I think your compassion is misdirected. I won't dog you out for it for that would be hypocritical of me. Once upon a time, I believed we could make a change in these people too. Obviously, my generation failed miserably in rehabilitating CONVICTS. Just as the generation before me did. Just as your's will.

Too soon old, too late smart. :3oops:

"Rehabilitating" people for most crimes is pretty easy, as they generally outgrow them on their own. That is, of course, UNLESS they're confined in brutal conditions for most of their life with hardened criminals.
 
Let's say someone is convicted of stealing a car when he's 18. Then he's convicted of selling marijuana when he's 22. Then he's convicted of drunk driving when he's 25. Does he deserve to spend the rest of his life in a cage?

Haven't I already answered this a couple of times? :confused:

I will type a bit slower this time.

Y....E.....S.......

Any questions?
 
Haven't I already answered this a couple of times? :confused:

I will type a bit slower this time.

Y....E.....S.......

Any questions?

And why wouldn't fining him, having him spend a short time in the county jail, taking away his driver's license, and sentencing him to some community service be adequate? Do you expect the taxpayers to pay for your barbaric punishment?
 
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And why wouldn't fining him, taking away his driver's license, and sentencing him to some community service be adequate?

You're asking the wrong person. That's above my paygrade.

Society determines what crimes will and what crimes won't land us in prison. It is our responsibility to live by those determinations or move to another society that has different standards more in tune with our own


Myself, I think non-violent crimes need their own classification. Three non-violent felonies, locked up for life. As for violent felonies, two stikes, the cage for life. Three strikes, the needle.

But that's just me. ;)
 
It costs about 25 grand per year to keep an inmate locked up. That is nothing but a drain on society. Keep him out and he can pay taxes and contribute to society.

The 3 felonies mentioned were pretty bad. How about someone convicted of writing bad checks three times? Hmm? Life in a cage for that? Yes, there is a minor felony. Felony does NOT mean violence.

What about someone convicted of a felony in one state who moves to another in which the exact same action isn't a crime at all? How should that work? He would have a felony conviction for a behavior that his neighbor could be doing every single day. That's one of the problems I have with the justice system in this country. States have different crime statutes. They need to get together on this. If it's illegal Chicago, it should be illegal a few hundred miles away in Minneapolis too.
 
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You're asking the wrong person. That's above my paygrade.

Society determines what crimes will and what crimes won't land us in prison. It is our responsibility to live by those determinations or move to another society that has different standards more in tune with our own

No. YOU offered the opinion that people should be locked in prison for life for drunk driving. If you are unwilling to defend your claims, then you should not make them in the first place.

Captain America said:
Myself, I think non-violent crimes need their own classification. Three non-violent felonies, locked up for life. As for violent felonies, two stikes, the cage for life. Three strikes, the needle.

But that's just me. ;)

You didn't answer my question. You just repeated what you already wrote above.
 
It costs about 25 grand per year to keep an inmate locked up. That is nothing but a drain on society. Keep him out and he can pay taxes and contribute to society.

The 3 felonies mentioned were pretty bad. How about someone convicted of writing bad checks three times? Hmm? Life in a cage for that?

I just can't see Suzy Q. Public getting sentenced to prison once, much less three times, for bouncing three checks down at the local grocery store.

Besides, that's all academic. Go argue that with your legislature. The law is the law. We can "what if" all night. It means nothing.

It costs about 25 grand per year to keep an inmate locked up

Yeah, well... I got a solution that costs around a dollar. But I don't think you'd like it.
 
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Basically, if one doesn't like the treatment one receives in prison, then one shouldn't break the law.

Crime comes with occupational hazards, and getting punked in prison is one of them.

Am I upset he cheated many persons out of money, HELL YES.

Am I upset that he went to prison, NOPE.

Am I bewildered that we are even giving this sb sympathy, YES
 
"In my book the term "minor felony" is an oxymoron."

My brother's father in law has a felony conviction stemming from possessing a joint in the state of Neveda back in the 1960s. He is still required to report this in the state of Georgia. Technically it is a felony to possess a single ounce of marijuana in GA, with enforcement varying widely in this state. If simple personal possession of marijuana doesnt met your definition of "minor" i'm afraid you lack all perspective. Some people get lucky with the courts and find sympathy (aka Rush only having to submit to drug testing), unfortunatly many others are branded convicted felons for the rest of their lives.
 
Regardless the tides are turning with state budgets and prison crowding streching to the breaking point. It was easy and popular for politicians in the 80s and 90s to campaign on getting tough on crime, but when the time comes for them to get tough on their state budgets they will rethink just how much of a threat some teenage pothead reallly is to society after all.
 
"In my book the term "minor felony" is an oxymoron."

My brother's father in law has a felony conviction stemming from possessing a joint in the state of Neveda back in the 1960s. He is still required to report this in the state of Georgia. Technically it is a felony to possess a single ounce of marijuana in GA, with enforcement varying widely in this state. If simple personal possession of marijuana doesnt met your definition of "minor" i'm afraid you lack all perspective. Some people get lucky with the courts and find sympathy (aka Rush only having to submit to drug testing), unfortunatly many others are branded convicted felons for the rest of their lives.

I thought of that too when the 3 "minor felonies" question was posed. I was thinking in the here and now, however, when I answered. Back in my youth, a joint was a felony. Three joints and out? Hardly seems fair BUT it is the perfect oppertunity to show how society has become softer and softer over the years in regard to crime punishment. I think we can all agree that the laws 30 years ago were extremely harsh and unfair by today's standards. But where do we draw the line?

People aren't going to prison anymore for 3 joints. They are going to prison because they are a pestulence upon society. And if we keep tolerating and moving the line for the sake of liberal compassion, and give in, rapists, murders, and gangster punks will get a slap on the wrist, an apology for their "poor and oppressed childhood," a pension, a new suit, 200.00, voting rights and a new gun upon their debt being paid to society.

I ain't with that program. Screw 'em.
 
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didn't read the thread, but the title is dishonest.


CHARLOTTE, North Carolina (Reuters) - Disgraced financier Bernard Madoff is being treated for high blood pressure and dizziness, and was not hurt by another prisoner, a Bureau of Prisons spokeswoman said on Thursday.


From the link.. :shrug:
 
My oh my. My good liberal, slightly liberal, independent, slightly independent, and anyone weighing in on prisoners at Gitmo friends, where is your Christmas compassion? Forget all the religious 'stuff', where is your feelings and emotions towards those guilty of non-violent crimes.

Let's pretend for a minute our circus clown of a President is going to bring the most viscious of terrorists here to the US for civilian trials. Now, I know that's tough to imagine as it's so insane but...just pretend that's the truth for a minute while you consider the following point. Oh.....And let's assume the government is smart and sends these men to a civilian prison after conviction.....that is their right as prisoners to be sentenced here....yes?

Now, should one of these Muslim cats get beat up....punked....whatever you want to call it, as Madoff just did....there would be outrage and a stinking media blitz of anti-Islamicisms, discrimination, how these men should be perhaps protected from the general population behind bars, how they should not be 'singled out', we'd be discussing their 'rights', our lack of 'humanity'. I mean urinating on their Koran became an issue, dogs barking in their faces, this cat Madoff steals money(one of the oldest non-violent crimes in the book), gets actual harm slapped all about him and......I'm hearing "serves you right" from the distinguished and qualified Left.:shock::shock::shock:

Sorry. I ain't buying it for a second. I don't mean your outrage for Madoff, I couldn't care less what happens to Bernie, we all sleep in the beds we make. I'm speaking to the pretend and selective outrage concerning our 'prisons' both here and abroad concerning our wars on militant Islam and in Iraq. I mean the whining and crying that goes on, the accusations of torture, it is crystal clear given the right cirmcumstances, harm being perpetrated on someone doesn't offend you.

I always knew the outrage was pretended and selective, I hope everyone can see it for themselves given such stark examples.
 
Now, should one of these Muslim cats get beat up....punked....whatever you want to call it, as Madoff just did....there would be outrage and a stinking media blitz of anti-Islamicisms, discrimination, how these men should be perhaps protected from the general population behind bars, how they should not be 'singled out', we'd be discussing their 'rights', our lack of 'humanity'.


I always knew the outrage was pretended and selective, I hope everyone can see it for themselves given such stark examples.

Excellent points, and right on the money imo.
 
***** A little Basic Christianity may be in order here OR I presume that most have never been locked up even briefly (?) Think about it.

Maybe he shouldn't have stolen all that money and showed some christianity himself... :laughat: I'm not stupid enough to get myself locked up.....
 
Maybe he shouldn't have stolen all that money and showed some christianity himself... :laughat: I'm not stupid enough to get myself locked up.....

Wow, so all people locked up are stupid? Gotcha. :roll: Obviously you don't even know what constitutes a Christian. A Christian is a sinner, who believes that Jesus came down to save them from eternal hell. Bernie Madoff sinned. That does NOT make him "not show Christianity." I can guarantee you've sinned very recently. So how can you judge Bernie when you're a sinner yourself?

You're riding with a friend of yours whos doesn't come to a complete stop at a stop sign. You are pulled over and the cop searches the car and discovers a joint under your seat. Guess what? You're now officially stupid....and you have the right to remain silent.

So you're supposed to know everything about everything to avoid being locked up? Some really are clueless on a level that I didn't think a grown adult could be. I would expect responses like this from 8 year olds but adults? Jeez. God help us all.
 
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I thought of that too when the 3 "minor felonies" question was posed. I was thinking in the here and now, however, when I answered. Back in my youth, a joint was a felony. Three joints and out? Hardly seems fair BUT it is the perfect oppertunity to show how society has become softer and softer over the years in regard to crime punishment. I think we can all agree that the laws 30 years ago were extremely harsh and unfair by today's standards. But where do we draw the line?

And if we keep tolerating and moving the line for the sake of liberal compassion, and give in, People aren't going to prison anymore for 3 joints. They are going to prison because they are a pestulence upon society.rapists, murders, and gangster punks will get a slap on the wrist, an apology for their "poor and oppressed childhood," a pension, a new suit, 200.00, voting rights and a new gun upon their debt being paid to society.

I ain't with that program. Screw 'em.

I am not sure if you know but in the state of California conspiricy to commit a misdemeanor is a felony.

So if you talk to your wife about jaywalking it is a felony.

It doesn't make any sense but that is the way it is.

They want to bootstrap it up to a serious crime no matter what it is in California, but for them it is all about the money.

I would say conspiricy to commit a misdemeanor is a minor felony.
 
didn't read the thread, but the title is dishonest.


CHARLOTTE, North Carolina (Reuters) - Disgraced financier Bernard Madoff is being treated for high blood pressure and dizziness, and was not hurt by another prisoner, a Bureau of Prisons spokeswoman said on Thursday.


From the link.. :shrug:

Yo Rev... that's the lastest Made-off wah-wah.

This thread is about last week's Made-off wah-wah. :mrgreen:
 
And why wouldn't fining him, having him spend a short time in the county jail, taking away his driver's license, and sentencing him to some community service be adequate? Do you expect the taxpayers to pay for your barbaric punishment?

Are you referring to Bernie? Because if you're just referring to some guy who can't get drunk without getting behind the wheel of a car, I could care less if they make that a felony and after three strikes they lock him up for life.

I don't get to make the laws and that's probably a good thing. But I am all for enforcing the laws and punishing those who choose to disregard them.

Are you intending on playing this "what-if" game? because you're barking up the wrong tree playing them with me. I have said all I know to say.

Do the crime, do the time. Simple as that. Don't like the laws, change them. I'm all for that too. But I am of the opinion that if someone chooses to commit a crime, regardless of the penalties for doing so, they make their bed and they can lay in it.

Do you think that a killer cares whether or not it is against the law to kill or not? Laws are for law abiding citizens. Criminals could care less. It matters not if it's a misdemeanor or a felony. If they get it in their head to break the law, they do it anyways. Screw 'em.
 
So how can you judge Bernie when you're a sinner yourself.

A jury of his peers judged him...yes? And he was found guilty of stealing from others and rightly sentenced to prison. Now...while being molested...don't you think he's kicking himself for being that stupid...to find himself in this place after having the world handed to him.

He's an idiot......and we can make a judgement on that fact just as we can others.
 
I thought of that too when the 3 "minor felonies" question was posed. I was thinking in the here and now, however, when I answered. Back in my youth, a joint was a felony. Three joints and out? Hardly seems fair BUT it is the perfect oppertunity to show how society has become softer and softer over the years in regard to crime punishment. I think we can all agree that the laws 30 years ago were extremely harsh and unfair by today's standards. But where do we draw the line?

People aren't going to prison anymore for 3 joints. They are going to prison because they are a pestulence upon society. And if we keep tolerating and moving the line for the sake of liberal compassion, and give in, rapists, murders, and gangster punks will get a slap on the wrist, an apology for their "poor and oppressed childhood," a pension, a new suit, 200.00, voting rights and a new gun upon their debt being paid to society.

I ain't with that program. Screw 'em.

It largely depends on where you live. In many parts of the country the criminal justice system in regards to non-violent substance abusers has been greatly reformed and the courts actively work to help individuals with their substance issues. I myself have battled issues of drug and alcohol abuse and can proudly say i have been sober for a little over 4 years. Unfortunately i didn't get my act together before spending quite a few months behind bars. I was arrested in the early part of the decade and given a felony conviction for possession of less than a half a gram of cocaine. I was put on felony probation for 5 years and was constantly in and out of jail for drinking while on probation. Finally when the crap was about to hit the fan i was fortunate enough to have a family who provided me with an attorney who got me into a treatment center instead of a 2 year prison sentence (all stemming from one arrest for simple possession of less than a half gram of cocaine.. all my subsequent troubles were from relapses while trying to remain sober resulting in probation violations and not actual arrests). The treatment center saved my life, but were i like the countless multitudes of others with no system of support i encountered i would have certainly of had my ass sent off to prison, i would of got out of prison untreated and of found myself right back in prison for violating parole... the cycle never ends... and the end cost is really to the tax payer at the sum of tens of thousands of dollars a year. Numerous studies have proven that treatment alternatives for nonviolent drug offenders not only save gobs of money they result in much better success rates. I'm not asking for sympathy because i deserve none i was given every oppurtunity in the world for success in life time and time again... all trying to say is YES non violent drug offenders go to prison in the state of GA and the only reason i'm not one of them is i had access to family money and support.

Furthermore laws in many states regarding sentencing have gotten MUCH MUCH MUCH stricter sense the the 1960s... the true reality of the situation is actually the opposite of what you suggest in many many places. FL for example no longer has parole.... the state is about to find itself choosing between providing basic basic services and keeping these people locked up forever
 
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