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    Re: Bernard Madoff beat up in USA Prison

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    They don't do anything to rehabilitate them.
    Isolating someone is not rehabilitation, changing behavior is.
    You can't change those type of people. They are indoctrinated to their personal belief system and its a shame because it is to do harm to you. That's why there is prison, those that are in deserve to be in there, and there are many still out who belong in prison too.

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    Re: Bernard Madoff beat up in USA Prison

    Quote Originally Posted by stalin_was_a_nice_being View Post
    You can't change those type of people. They are indoctrinated to their personal belief system and its a shame because it is to do harm to you. That's why there is prison, those that are in deserve to be in there, and there are many still out who belong in prison too.
    Then they should be killed, isolation and physical abuse does not rehabilitate people.

    Releasing felons with no life or job skills with a scarlet letter, guarantees that they will commit crimes again.
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    Re: Bernard Madoff beat up in USA Prison

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's not true. It's illegal for a gaurd to kick the **** out of a prisoner, now. 40 years ago a gaurd could turn a prisoner into a vegitable and no one cared. Prisoners have rights now. Remember Attica?
    Prisoners getting beat up in jail was not was Attica was about. It was about people being treated like animals. Forcing them to live in the most disgusting of conditions, wanton racism in the correctional system, removal of basic civil rights(free practice of religion Al Jundi v. Masundi). No. You're wrong. Jail is supposed to encourage people to not commit crimes. Creating horrible conditions to live in does not do that.



    Canada's entire criminal rate and jail rate is MUCH lower than that of the U.S. and somehow their recidivism is also lower. This is because the entire focus of their correctional facilities has been shifted from simply punishing people to rehabilitating them. Trust me on this one. Making jail harder for criminals only makes better criminals.
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    Re: Bernard Madoff beat up in USA Prison

    ***** For what it's worth here - probably 20% of the people locked up in Federal & State Prisons are a Physical threat to no one. They are Petty Thieves, Substance abusers & Mental defectives. This ratio will stand if not increase in future years unless like California Bankruptcy is coming soon.
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    Re: Bernard Madoff beat up in USA Prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Laissez-faire depends on people who wantonly disregard the law? What a strange idea you have there...
    Laissez-faire depends on, as you put it, the most self-centered people, who wouldn't lift a finger to help anyone but themselves.
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    Re: Bernard Madoff beat up in USA Prison

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Laissez-faire depends on, as you put it, the most self-centered people, who wouldn't lift a finger to help anyone but themselves.
    It also depends on the rule of law.

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    Re: Bernard Madoff beat up in USA Prison

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    100 years ago people were not being tossed into prison things like pot heroin cocain etc.
    Cocaine was made illegal in 1914. Do, nearly 100 years ago, the crime rate was lower than it is now. IMO, it's because people were afraid of going to prison, because prison was a very dangerous and scary place. That fear doesn't exist any longer, or at least not to the same extent. It needs to return.


    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Does every criminal deserve to be kicked the **** out of?
    Do you not see how this can be applied unevenly?
    Prison isn't about bing treated fairly. If a person doesn't like it, he should avoid being sent to prison. How hard is that?



    When you make more things illegal the crime rate is bound to go up.
    I don't have the numbers in front of me, but I believe there are fewer prisonable (is that a word? Who care?) offenses then than there are now. It's safe to say that, just because there are no more Jim Crow laws that imprison blacks for standing on the wrong side of the street.

    As I pointed out, cocaine has been illega for nearly 100 years. Illegal liquir took the place of illegal drugs back then. The opposite is true now. And before you say it, liquir wasn't illegal in 1914.


    Quote Originally Posted by stalin_was_a_nice_being View Post
    Not always. Some people really can't being not poor. But I don't expect a "very conservative" person to understand.

    Back on topic: Bernard Madoff wasn't beaten up so I am guessing the title of the thread should change?
    99% of the time, people's station in life is bcause of their own concious decisions. I have 9 brothers and sisters. My dad was an mechanic and my mom was a secretary. Save the po' man's hero crap.




    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Prisoners getting beat up in jail was not was Attica was about. It was about people being treated like animals. Forcing them to live in the most disgusting of conditions, wanton racism in the correctional system, removal of basic civil rights(free practice of religion Al Jundi v. Masundi). No. You're wrong. Jail is supposed to encourage people to not commit crimes. Creating horrible conditions to live in does not do that.
    If they didn't like it, they should have worked harder to stay out of prison. There are concequences to our actions. You break the law, you go to prison and prison sucks. Fear encourages people to do amazing things. Making prison a tea party isn't going to encourage people to stay out of prison.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Bernard Madoff beat up in USA Prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post



    Canada's entire criminal rate and jail rate is MUCH lower than that of the U.S. and somehow their recidivism is also lower. This is because the entire focus of their correctional facilities has been shifted from simply punishing people to rehabilitating them. Trust me on this one. Making jail harder for criminals only makes better criminals.

    You're talking about two totally demographics. You're comparing apples to oranges.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Bernard Madoff beat up in USA Prison

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    99% of the time, people's station in life is bcause of their own concious decisions. I have 9 brothers and sisters. My dad was an mechanic and my mom was a secretary. Save the po' man's hero crap.



    Well they would have ended up doing a perfect job if you weren't conservative.

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    Re: Bernard Madoff beat up in USA Prison

    Quote Originally Posted by stalin_was_a_nice_being View Post
    Well they would have ended up doing a perfect job if you weren't conservative.
    Wow, that's way out of line.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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