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Bernard Madoff beat up in USA Prison

A scumbag's looks is irrelevant. If your compassion only limited to him or does it apply to other criminals as well? If this guy was like John Couey would you be asking us to show compassion? would you be saying "***** A little Basic Christianity may be in order here OR I presume that most have never been locked up even briefly (?) Think about it." By the way "******" usually mean you are cursing.



***** Dead Wrong ******* If I use an expletive I want the World to see it.

**** Also you I presume have the intelligence to fully know what I meant. Madoff never in his life physically harmed or threatened anyone. As a person I have contempt for him - but a bunch of guys casually talking about Prison rape or Glad the Bastard is in there with the Animals reminds me of why I never get picked for a Jury while a few others pretend impartiality and just KNOW they'd never ever be in the system themselves:roll:
 
More embarrassment for the world's entertainment.
 
Yeah......it was all about hating the military.....not some of our redneck soldiers making a PR hole the size of Kansas for the rest of the military.

Oh Hatuey. Not the "military." The Army.
 
There are different types of punishment not just prison such as warnings,fines, parole, community service, a restriction of rights, public embarrassment and the death penalty. Prison is a punishment not just for violent offenders. If that man only ripped off one person then sure maybe a fine,community service or parole would suffice.

Why does it not suffice for this?

jamesrage said:
Yes.Maybe not the whole world in general and besides the rest of the world is irrelevant in how we punish our criminals. But seeing how he can not buy his way out he is actually being punished for ruining the livelyhoods of others and ripping off his victims.

Why is locking him in a cage with violent criminals necessary? Why is it the default punishment for serious crimes?

The fact is that Bernie Madoff could have been punished AND been prevented from harming anyone if he had been given an ankle bracelet, stripped of his assets, never been allowed to work in finance again, and forced to do community service. Anal rape and/or being in a cage is not necessary.
 
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Why does it not suffice for this?
It is the degree of his crime.If he just ripped off one person or shoplifted a two dollar item it might warrant one of those other punishments.


Why is locking him in a cage with violent criminals necessary?

Until they start building anon-violent offenders prison he will have to serve time behind bars. The lack of such a prison is not an excuse to be lenient.

Why is it the default punishment for serious crimes?


Because all the other punishments are deemed to lenient(minus the death penalty).


The fact is that Bernie Madoff could have been punished AND been prevented from harming anyone if he had been given an ankle bracelet, stripped of his assets, never been allowed to work in finance again, and forced to do community service.

If the man was a petty thief then sure those other punishments should suffice. Just because they do not have a non-violent offender's prison is no reason to go soft on the man. The man is ****ing rich. Community service,ankle bracelet is not going to do **** to him except maybe get him to bribe someone to take the bracelet off without the authorities being notified so he can flee the country with all that money.

Anal rape and/or being in a cage is not necessary.

Perhaps prisons could actually be a place of punishment like hard labor,solitary confinement, no weight rooms or social interaction other than working in chain gang those things like anal rape could be avoided, besides most inmates are not homosexuals. If they too busy turning big rocks into little rocks it might be a little difficult for them to find time to butt rape each other.
 
Why does it not suffice for this?



Why is locking him in a cage with violent criminals necessary? Why is it the default punishment for serious crimes?

The fact is that Bernie Madoff could have been punished AND been prevented from harming anyone if he had been given an ankle bracelet, stripped of his assets, never been allowed to work in finance again, and forced to do community service. Anal rape and/or being in a cage is not necessary.

He is lucky someone did not put a cap in his sorry ass before he got locked up. I mean he ruined peeps livelihood:(
 
He is lucky someone did not put a cap in his sorry ass before he got locked up. I mean he ruined peeps livelihood:(

Government does it everyday... running Ponzi schemes that make Madoff look like a kid stealing penny candy... but... nobody seems much to mind. In fact, a lot of morons encourage it!

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Government does it everyday... running Ponzi schemes that make Madoff look like a kid stealing penny candy... but... nobody seems much to mind. In fact, a lot of morons encourage it!

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I must agree that the Government does it daily but it is more on an impersonal level?

A lot of Bernie's victims were close "friends". :(
 
I must agree that the Government does it daily but it is more on an impersonal level?

A lot of Bernie's victims were close "friends". :(

We should take it personally. We need a press corps that believes in our freedoms and Constitution... unfortunately they don't. They propagate, promote and celebrate the Madoffization of our country.

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We should take it personally. We need a press corps that believes in our freedoms and Constitution... unfortunately they don't. They propagate, promote and celebrate the Madoffization of our country.

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Oh trust me I do take it personally but not as personal as if it was one personal close friend putting the big screw to me.
 
Oh Hatuey. Not the "military." The Army.

I was about to ask just who the **** you were. Then saw you got promoted. Congrats.
 
Oh trust me I do take it personally but not as personal as if it was one personal close friend putting the big screw to me.

Point taken.

I'd probably be a little more pissed too, especially if it was all or most of what I had, but then you've got to be stupid to put all your money, and a significant amount, in one boat.

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Until they start building anon-violent offenders prison he will have to serve time behind bars. The lack of such a prison is not an excuse to be lenient.

Those kind of prisons do exist. They're called minimum security prison camps, where people live in barracks-style accommodations and are generally allowed a little more freedom of movement. But no, he was sent to a medium-security prison where he's locked in a tiny cage with rapists and other hardened criminals.

jamesrage said:
Because all the other punishments are deemed to lenient(minus the death penalty).

Why? What's so lenient about being stripped of everything you own and forced to work for the state? Why is living in constant fear of other prisoners necessary? There is no reason why the state needs to lock a glorified embezzler in a little cage and pay men with guns to make sure he doesn't escape.

jamesrage said:
If the man was a petty thief then sure those other punishments should suffice. Just because they do not have a non-violent offender's prison is no reason to go soft on the man.

I hardly think that preventing assaults and rapes, and allowing a person more than a few square feet of living space constitutes "going soft on the man."

jamesrage said:
The man is ****ing rich. Community service,ankle bracelet is not going to do **** to him except maybe get him to bribe someone to take the bracelet off without the authorities being notified so he can flee the country with all that money.

He doesn't have any money anymore. He had a crapload of legal bills, and his victims got whatever was left. And rightly so; I completely agree he should be stripped of everything he owned.

What makes you think he's a flight risk anyway? :confused:

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Perhaps prisons could actually be a place of punishment like hard labor,

I guess it depends what you mean by "hard labor," but prisoners generally *do* spend a lot of their day working.

jamesrage said:
solitary confinement,

Other than for protection and/or punishment for violating prison rules, I don't see why this is necessary.

jamesrage said:
no weight rooms or social interaction other than working in chain gang

Again, I don't see why this is necessary.

jamesrage said:
those things like anal rape could be avoided, besides most inmates are not homosexuals. If they too busy turning big rocks into little rocks it might be a little difficult for them to find time to butt rape each other.

What does their sexuality have to do with anything? :confused:
 
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Government does it everyday... running Ponzi schemes that make Madoff look like a kid stealing penny candy... but... nobody seems much to mind. In fact, a lot of morons encourage it!

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Other than Bush's war, let's hear one that fits your description (GW doesn't count).
 
Point taken.

I'd probably be a little more pissed too, especially if it was all or most of what I had, but then you've got to be stupid to put all your money, and a significant amount, in one boat.

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He was a scam artist and did what they do-gain trust, befriend, etc. Some of these people really thought he was a very close friend and I refuse to shame the victims here.

Why do you try to defend this scumbag? I am really curious.
 
He was a scam artist and did what they do-gain trust, befriend, etc. Some of these people really thought he was a very close friend and I refuse to shame the victims here.

Why do you try to defend this scumbag? I am really curious.

I don't. Never have. I think he is the lowest scum.

My OP (below) hits on one theme, and our discussion hits on the fact government is involved in just as disgusting Madoff-like schemes that rip people off (with endless bald faced lies) that make Madoff seem like a kid stealing penny candy. Nowhere have I defended Madoff.
As much as I dislike Madoff, I find it disgusting the prison system is a place where gangs thrive, scores are settled through thug-like behavior, and people cheer from the sidelines.

It's a place to serve your punishment, pay your debt to society... or should be.

To have the crap that happens, and is known publicly... and is celebrated is a disgrace.

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Please will some one explain why it is funny or justified that this man was beaten up? He is in prison because he committed a crime, so that he cannot continue to commit those same crimes. The only desire I have is that the justice system insures he is not capable of committing the same crime again. Beyond that, wishing this man any harm is simply immoral!!
 
Please will some one explain why it is funny or justified that this man was beaten up? He is in prison because he committed a crime, so that he cannot continue to commit those same crimes. The only desire I have is that the justice system insures he is not capable of committing the same crime again. Beyond that, wishing this man any harm is simply immoral!!

We know it goes on... and my point earlier with Abu Graib was two-fold... the second not made but implied:

With the press all over our troops for Abu Graib, where no terrorists died, where none had serious injuries, where they were piled up naked and shown photos, and had some psychological games played... where is the press investigating our prisons when there is gang warfare, sodomy...etc.?

Where is the investigative journalism? I don't see it.

As stated earlier... they don't like the troops and hated Bush... and were eager to do anything to hammer both.

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To have the crap that happens, and is known publicly... and is celebrated is a disgrace.

That sums it up well imo. When we celebrate cruelty to anyone, even the criminal elements of our society, we are no different than those who cheered at the Coliseum.
 
No, I understand what you're saying; I just don't know how it relates to our specific discussion.

You said laissez-faire economics depends on people like Bernie Madoff, but that isn't true because he operated outside the confines of the law.

And laissez-faire doesn't mean no government involvement in anything even tangentially related to the economy. It's just a label which loosely describes a complex socioeconomic philosophy.

The reference I was making to the discussion about Madoff was that you said he was a self-centered person who wouldn't lift a finger if it didn't benefit him directly, and I was just commenting that self-centered people is what the free-market system relies on.
 
The reference I was making to the discussion about Madoff was that you said he was a self-centered person who wouldn't lift a finger if it didn't benefit him directly, and I was just commenting that self-centered people is what the free-market system relies on.

But you're painting an incomplete and simplistic picture of free-market economics.
 
...I was just commenting that self-centered people is what the free-market system relies on.

People running the brunt of businesses have to serve their customers; that is far from self centered. They work hard, often sleep at the office, stay up late, have sleepless nights thinking about their business and staff, worry about making pay-roll, and then when they do overcome obstacles and make a success of their business, people believe they have a stake in their commitment and risk... though they've done nothing to earn that wealth. They just want it and expect government to take it for them. That is self-centered.

The socialist welfare system relies on ignorant, self-centered people who believe they have a right to the wealth generated by the people above... believers that we should "spread the wealth around". What is more self-centered and selfish than that?

As for Madoff, he is a cheat, and we have such people in all walks of life. The Democrat Party seems filled with people that have a penchant for stealing wealth and running the country into the ground with mountains of debt. They've maxed out the national credit card, but they don't care; somebody else will pay for it... tell me... how self-centered is that?

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