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    Re: Bernard Madoff beat up in USA Prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Jmills1 View Post
    I can't speak for other individuals on the so called left ( i myself have a mix of libertarian views on a lot of social issues with a more moderate economic view... largely because i have to admit I'm not well versed in economics and can't claim to know what is always best for the country as a whole), but I can speak for myself and while the aggregate harm caused by his crimes is astounding to comprehend i do find it hard to believe that anyone convicted of a non-violent crime actually deserves to spend the rest of their life behind bars without chance for parole.... keep in mind while federal prison may have a reputation for being a little nicer the federal prison system no longer has parole... therefore life (or 800 years) actually means life in prison. The magnitude of his crime probably does warrant a stiff sentence as a deterrent to other individuals but anything beyond maybe 10 years seems somewhat inhuman for someone who basically cheated people out of money. This man is a person after all and the threat to society of him being released is very very small. If anything society poses a much greater threat to him if he is released. Bottom line even some murderers are given a second chance even in are somewhat barbaric criminial justice system i think it hypocritical to suggest this guy doesn't also deserve a second chance in life. This is the only life he'll ever have to live after all. He messed up big and screwed over many many people but did he do anything equal in the eyes of justice to directly taking the live of someone else?? I think not.
    JM, I cannot argue here. It does seem life in prison for stealing money is a tad harsh. But imagine the "he deserves his just due" coming from the Left here. They cry about Gitmo terrorists being beaten up, cry and then try our soldiers in court for a terrorist's bloody lip received while being captured.

    And then cheer when Madoff experiences violence. Go figure.
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    Re: Bernard Madoff beat up in USA Prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    JM, I cannot argue here. It does seem life in prison for stealing money is a tad harsh. But imagine the "he deserves his just due" coming from the Left here. They cry about Gitmo terrorists being beaten up, cry and then try our soldiers in court for a terrorist's bloody lip received while being captured.

    And then cheer when Madoff experiences violence. Go figure.
    I would like to point out, that not everyone in Gitmo is a terrorist. Some are innocent civilians who were in the wrong place in the wrong time. When those people are tortured, or whatever, they represent whats wrong with Gitmo. I myself believe it is fine to torture people we know for sure are terrorists, because they sure as hell do that to any soldiers of ours they capture, but to do it to an innocent man without even trying to search for his innocence is too much.
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    Re: Bernard Madoff beat up in USA Prison

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    I would like to point out, that not everyone in Gitmo is a terrorist. Some are innocent civilians who were in the wrong place in the wrong time. When those people are tortured, or whatever, they represent whats wrong with Gitmo. I myself believe it is fine to torture people we know for sure are terrorists, because they sure as hell do that to any soldiers of ours they capture, but to do it to an innocent man without even trying to search for his innocence is too much.
    Don't forget that when they are released from Gitmo they have to sign a NDA(Non Disclousure Agreement). That in a right and civilized society should not happen.

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    Re: Bernard Madoff beat up in USA Prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    I think that's a weak correlation. It certain does contribute to our culture, but you fall prey to making a huge generalization on the American population. We have just as many subcultures that are not aggressive and not egocentric.
    Yet...the crime rate is high. I guess those non aggressive non egocentric subcultures are leading the way. When discussing the possibilities of why our crime rate is higher than others, defending the Quackers or any other non-aggressive culture is irrelevent. You fall prey to assuming a generalization is supposed to equal a 100% absolute. Don't fear a generalization. It's who we are. We are an aggresive, prideful civilization.

    Of course, instead of simply dropping in a criticism of my post you could have offerred some theory of your own.
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    Re: Bernard Madoff beat up in USA Prison

    Madoff should have had his lawyer buy him some protection, surely he still has SOME money stashed away. His wife still has some, maybe she will pay his protection money....or maybe not...
    Assuming it is true that he got beat up....
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    Re: Bernard Madoff beat up in USA Prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Jmills1 View Post
    keep in mind while federal prison may have a reputation for being a little nicer the federal prison system no longer has parole... therefore life (or 800 years) actually means life in prison.
    I'm sorry, Jmills, that's not true. Yes, the feds still have parole. They refer to it as "supervised release" now, but it's parole. Inmates in the federal system do 85% of their sentence.

    Trust me on this one, they definitely still have parole.

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    Re: Bernard Madoff beat up in USA Prison

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    I'm sorry, Jmills, that's not true. Yes, the feds still have parole. They refer to it as "supervised release" now, but it's parole. Inmates in the federal system do 85% of their sentence.

    Trust me on this one, they definitely still have parole.
    This is not the same thing as parole. In most states non-violent crimes are paroled out at about 10-20% of actual sentence. Therefore its not uncommon for someone sentenced to 10-15 years to actually do 18-30 months before release. What your referring to is the federal system of called "good time" good time does not apply in federal life sentences. In state "life with parole" sentences paroles occur at about 65% of 25 years. Even if someone getting multiple hundreds of years was given this good time it would still mean they would have to live to be the oldest person by far to ever live to reach their 85%. I'm not arguing for or against this I'm just stating this is the way it is.

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    Re: Bernard Madoff beat up in USA Prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Jmills1 View Post
    This is not the same thing as parole. In most states non-violent crimes are paroled out at about 10-20% of actual sentence. Therefore its not uncommon for someone sentenced to 10-15 years to actually do 18-30 months before release. What your referring to is the federal system of called "good time" good time does not apply in federal life sentences. In state "life with parole" sentences paroles occur at about 65% of 25 years. Even if someone getting multiple hundreds of years was given this good time it would still mean they would have to live to be the oldest person by far to ever live to reach their 85%. I'm not arguing for or against this I'm just stating this is the way it is.
    In our state we have something called "truth in sentencing." If you get 5 years, you do 5 years (if you can toe the line.)

    Sentencing someone to 20 years and letting them out in 5 makes no sense. It's deceptively dishonest. Just give 5 to begin with. Who's BS'n who?

    It's all about impression I suppose. When the CONVICT is under the light, they harshly condemn him. After he is put away and all but forgotten about, they cut him loose to make room for the next CONVICT just leaving the light.

    I think violent CONVICTS should rot in jail.

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    Re: Bernard Madoff beat up in USA Prison

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    Madoff treated for face, rib injuries: report | Reuters


    I don't condone this action, but it couldn't have happened to a better person.
    how sad. not.

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    Re: Bernard Madoff beat up in USA Prison

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    I would like to point out, that not everyone in Gitmo is a terrorist.
    Only 5 or so were waterboarded as well. All others have been rightfully locked up at Gitmo and treated like every other enemy combatant captured abroad in the history of this country.

    Some are innocent civilians who were in the wrong place in the wrong time.
    Give me the example of one of these people, please.

    When those people are tortured, or whatever, they represent whats wrong with Gitmo.
    They weren't even waterboarded, much less tortured. The lower level Cats at Gitmo weren't waterboarded and you know it. The man they are bringing to NYC was waterboarded...nearly 200 times...as he IS a terrorist and the most vile of them.

    I myself believe it is fine to torture people we know for sure are terrorists,
    Then you have no problem with the 5 or 6 who were waterboarded. Correct?

    but to do it to an innocent man without even trying to search for his innocence is too much.
    Please supply proof and a link that a innocent man was waterboarded or tortured. Thanks.
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