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    Re: Bernard Madoff beat up in USA Prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I thought of that too when the 3 "minor felonies" question was posed. I was thinking in the here and now, however, when I answered. Back in my youth, a joint was a felony. Three joints and out? Hardly seems fair BUT it is the perfect oppertunity to show how society has become softer and softer over the years in regard to crime punishment. I think we can all agree that the laws 30 years ago were extremely harsh and unfair by today's standards. But where do we draw the line?

    And if we keep tolerating and moving the line for the sake of liberal compassion, and give in, People aren't going to prison anymore for 3 joints. They are going to prison because they are a pestulence upon society.rapists, murders, and gangster punks will get a slap on the wrist, an apology for their "poor and oppressed childhood," a pension, a new suit, 200.00, voting rights and a new gun upon their debt being paid to society.

    I ain't with that program. Screw 'em.
    I am not sure if you know but in the state of California conspiricy to commit a misdemeanor is a felony.

    So if you talk to your wife about jaywalking it is a felony.

    It doesn't make any sense but that is the way it is.

    They want to bootstrap it up to a serious crime no matter what it is in California, but for them it is all about the money.

    I would say conspiricy to commit a misdemeanor is a minor felony.

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    Re: Bernard Madoff beat up in USA Prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    didn't read the thread, but the title is dishonest.


    CHARLOTTE, North Carolina (Reuters) - Disgraced financier Bernard Madoff is being treated for high blood pressure and dizziness, and was not hurt by another prisoner, a Bureau of Prisons spokeswoman said on Thursday.


    From the link..
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    Re: Bernard Madoff beat up in USA Prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    And why wouldn't fining him, having him spend a short time in the county jail, taking away his driver's license, and sentencing him to some community service be adequate? Do you expect the taxpayers to pay for your barbaric punishment?
    Are you referring to Bernie? Because if you're just referring to some guy who can't get drunk without getting behind the wheel of a car, I could care less if they make that a felony and after three strikes they lock him up for life.

    I don't get to make the laws and that's probably a good thing. But I am all for enforcing the laws and punishing those who choose to disregard them.

    Are you intending on playing this "what-if" game? because you're barking up the wrong tree playing them with me. I have said all I know to say.

    Do the crime, do the time. Simple as that. Don't like the laws, change them. I'm all for that too. But I am of the opinion that if someone chooses to commit a crime, regardless of the penalties for doing so, they make their bed and they can lay in it.

    Do you think that a killer cares whether or not it is against the law to kill or not? Laws are for law abiding citizens. Criminals could care less. It matters not if it's a misdemeanor or a felony. If they get it in their head to break the law, they do it anyways. Screw 'em.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    So how can you judge Bernie when you're a sinner yourself.
    A jury of his peers judged him...yes? And he was found guilty of stealing from others and rightly sentenced to prison. Now...while being molested...don't you think he's kicking himself for being that stupid...to find himself in this place after having the world handed to him.

    He's an idiot......and we can make a judgement on that fact just as we can others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I thought of that too when the 3 "minor felonies" question was posed. I was thinking in the here and now, however, when I answered. Back in my youth, a joint was a felony. Three joints and out? Hardly seems fair BUT it is the perfect oppertunity to show how society has become softer and softer over the years in regard to crime punishment. I think we can all agree that the laws 30 years ago were extremely harsh and unfair by today's standards. But where do we draw the line?

    People aren't going to prison anymore for 3 joints. They are going to prison because they are a pestulence upon society. And if we keep tolerating and moving the line for the sake of liberal compassion, and give in, rapists, murders, and gangster punks will get a slap on the wrist, an apology for their "poor and oppressed childhood," a pension, a new suit, 200.00, voting rights and a new gun upon their debt being paid to society.

    I ain't with that program. Screw 'em.
    It largely depends on where you live. In many parts of the country the criminal justice system in regards to non-violent substance abusers has been greatly reformed and the courts actively work to help individuals with their substance issues. I myself have battled issues of drug and alcohol abuse and can proudly say i have been sober for a little over 4 years. Unfortunately i didn't get my act together before spending quite a few months behind bars. I was arrested in the early part of the decade and given a felony conviction for possession of less than a half a gram of cocaine. I was put on felony probation for 5 years and was constantly in and out of jail for drinking while on probation. Finally when the crap was about to hit the fan i was fortunate enough to have a family who provided me with an attorney who got me into a treatment center instead of a 2 year prison sentence (all stemming from one arrest for simple possession of less than a half gram of cocaine.. all my subsequent troubles were from relapses while trying to remain sober resulting in probation violations and not actual arrests). The treatment center saved my life, but were i like the countless multitudes of others with no system of support i encountered i would have certainly of had my ass sent off to prison, i would of got out of prison untreated and of found myself right back in prison for violating parole... the cycle never ends... and the end cost is really to the tax payer at the sum of tens of thousands of dollars a year. Numerous studies have proven that treatment alternatives for nonviolent drug offenders not only save gobs of money they result in much better success rates. I'm not asking for sympathy because i deserve none i was given every oppurtunity in the world for success in life time and time again... all trying to say is YES non violent drug offenders go to prison in the state of GA and the only reason i'm not one of them is i had access to family money and support.

    Furthermore laws in many states regarding sentencing have gotten MUCH MUCH MUCH stricter sense the the 1960s... the true reality of the situation is actually the opposite of what you suggest in many many places. FL for example no longer has parole.... the state is about to find itself choosing between providing basic basic services and keeping these people locked up forever
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    Re: Bernard Madoff beat up in USA Prison

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    Madoff treated for face, rib injuries: report | Reuters


    I don't condone this action, but it couldn't have happened to a better person.
    The source you cited has this:

    CHARLOTTE, North Carolina (Reuters) - Disgraced financier Bernard Madoff is being treated for high blood pressure and dizziness, and was not hurt by another prisoner, a Bureau of Prisons spokeswoman said on Thursday.

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    "Bernie Madoff was not assaulted. He's being treated at the (Butner) federal medical center for dizziness and hypertension," said Bureau of Prisons spokeswoman Traci Billingsley.

    A Raleigh, North Carolina television station reported on its website that Madoff was hospitalized late last week and treated for facial fractures, broken ribs and a collapsed lung. Citing unidentified sources, the station reported that Madoff's injuries were consistent with an assault.
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    Re: Bernard Madoff beat up in USA Prison

    Imagine one of our Gitmo prisoners being treated for face and rib injuries.

    "Matthew McCabe, a Special Operations Petty Officer Second Class (SO-2), is facing three charges: dereliction of performance of duty for willfully failing to safeguard a detainee, making a false official statement, and assault.
    Failing to safeguard a detainee....my my.

    Rather than string American bodies from a bridge after killing them, Ahmed Abed should have milked them out of billions of dollars. Clearly, had he been beaten after a non-violent crime, the Left would have no problems whatsoever. Being as these men were in a war zone....you know at war.....and had their buddies killed and strung up...doesn't seem to matter. Bilk a few investors out of a few bucks...and the Left's outrage when violence results vanishes. If only these Seals had known....don't chagre the guy with terrorism....charge Abed with Ponzi scheming the military!
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    Re: Bernard Madoff beat up in USA Prison

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    The source you cited has this:

    The story was "updated" to a completely different story after a bit. It happened with a few sources

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    Re: Bernard Madoff beat up in USA Prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Are you referring to Bernie? Because if you're just referring to some guy who can't get drunk without getting behind the wheel of a car, I could care less if they make that a felony and after three strikes they lock him up for life.

    I don't get to make the laws and that's probably a good thing. But I am all for enforcing the laws and punishing those who choose to disregard them.

    Are you intending on playing this "what-if" game? because you're barking up the wrong tree playing them with me. I have said all I know to say.

    Do the crime, do the time. Simple as that. Don't like the laws, change them. I'm all for that too. But I am of the opinion that if someone chooses to commit a crime, regardless of the penalties for doing so, they make their bed and they can lay in it.

    Do you think that a killer cares whether or not it is against the law to kill or not? Laws are for law abiding citizens. Criminals could care less. It matters not if it's a misdemeanor or a felony. If they get it in their head to break the law, they do it anyways. Screw 'em.
    Instead of punishing them for life after 2-3 strikes why not brainwash em? This would satisfy a lot of problems. No need for the death penalty anymore and they wouldn't be a drain on our resources as they could be let go and be made to become productive members of society...with all the rights of a true citizen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    Imagine one of our Gitmo prisoners being treated for face and rib injuries.



    Failing to safeguard a detainee....my my.

    Rather than string American bodies from a bridge after killing them, Ahmed Abed should have milked them out of billions of dollars. Clearly, had he been beaten after a non-violent crime, the Left would have no problems whatsoever. Being as these men were in a war zone....you know at war.....and had their buddies killed and strung up...doesn't seem to matter. Bilk a few investors out of a few bucks...and the Left's outrage when violence results vanishes. If only these Seals had known....don't chagre the guy with terrorism....charge Abed with Ponzi scheming the military!
    I can't speak for other individuals on the so called left ( i myself have a mix of libertarian views on a lot of social issues with a more moderate economic view... largely because i have to admit I'm not well versed in economics and can't claim to know what is always best for the country as a whole), but I can speak for myself and while the aggregate harm caused by his crimes is astounding to comprehend i do find it hard to believe that anyone convicted of a non-violent crime actually deserves to spend the rest of their life behind bars without chance for parole.... keep in mind while federal prison may have a reputation for being a little nicer the federal prison system no longer has parole... therefore life (or 800 years) actually means life in prison. The magnitude of his crime probably does warrant a stiff sentence as a deterrent to other individuals but anything beyond maybe 10 years seems somewhat inhuman for someone who basically cheated people out of money. This man is a person after all and the threat to society of him being released is very very small. If anything society poses a much greater threat to him if he is released. Bottom line even some murderers are given a second chance even in are somewhat barbaric criminial justice system i think it hypocritical to suggest this guy doesn't also deserve a second chance in life. This is the only life he'll ever have to live after all. He messed up big and screwed over many many people but did he do anything equal in the eyes of justice to directly taking the live of someone else?? I think not.
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