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    Re: Bernard Madoff beat up in USA Prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Why does it not suffice for this?
    It is the degree of his crime.If he just ripped off one person or shoplifted a two dollar item it might warrant one of those other punishments.


    Why is locking him in a cage with violent criminals necessary?
    Until they start building anon-violent offenders prison he will have to serve time behind bars. The lack of such a prison is not an excuse to be lenient.

    Why is it the default punishment for serious crimes?

    Because all the other punishments are deemed to lenient(minus the death penalty).


    The fact is that Bernie Madoff could have been punished AND been prevented from harming anyone if he had been given an ankle bracelet, stripped of his assets, never been allowed to work in finance again, and forced to do community service.
    If the man was a petty thief then sure those other punishments should suffice. Just because they do not have a non-violent offender's prison is no reason to go soft on the man. The man is ****ing rich. Community service,ankle bracelet is not going to do **** to him except maybe get him to bribe someone to take the bracelet off without the authorities being notified so he can flee the country with all that money.

    Anal rape and/or being in a cage is not necessary.
    Perhaps prisons could actually be a place of punishment like hard labor,solitary confinement, no weight rooms or social interaction other than working in chain gang those things like anal rape could be avoided, besides most inmates are not homosexuals. If they too busy turning big rocks into little rocks it might be a little difficult for them to find time to butt rape each other.
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    Re: Bernard Madoff beat up in USA Prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Why does it not suffice for this?



    Why is locking him in a cage with violent criminals necessary? Why is it the default punishment for serious crimes?

    The fact is that Bernie Madoff could have been punished AND been prevented from harming anyone if he had been given an ankle bracelet, stripped of his assets, never been allowed to work in finance again, and forced to do community service. Anal rape and/or being in a cage is not necessary.
    He is lucky someone did not put a cap in his sorry ass before he got locked up. I mean he ruined peeps livelihood
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    Re: Bernard Madoff beat up in USA Prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    He is lucky someone did not put a cap in his sorry ass before he got locked up. I mean he ruined peeps livelihood
    Government does it everyday... running Ponzi schemes that make Madoff look like a kid stealing penny candy... but... nobody seems much to mind. In fact, a lot of morons encourage it!

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    Re: Bernard Madoff beat up in USA Prison

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Government does it everyday... running Ponzi schemes that make Madoff look like a kid stealing penny candy... but... nobody seems much to mind. In fact, a lot of morons encourage it!

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    I must agree that the Government does it daily but it is more on an impersonal level?

    A lot of Bernie's victims were close "friends".
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    Re: Bernard Madoff beat up in USA Prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    I must agree that the Government does it daily but it is more on an impersonal level?

    A lot of Bernie's victims were close "friends".
    We should take it personally. We need a press corps that believes in our freedoms and Constitution... unfortunately they don't. They propagate, promote and celebrate the Madoffization of our country.

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    Re: Bernard Madoff beat up in USA Prison

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    We should take it personally. We need a press corps that believes in our freedoms and Constitution... unfortunately they don't. They propagate, promote and celebrate the Madoffization of our country.

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    Oh trust me I do take it personally but not as personal as if it was one personal close friend putting the big screw to me.
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    Re: Bernard Madoff beat up in USA Prison

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    Oh Hatuey. Not the "military." The Army.
    I was about to ask just who the **** you were. Then saw you got promoted. Congrats.
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    Re: Bernard Madoff beat up in USA Prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Oh trust me I do take it personally but not as personal as if it was one personal close friend putting the big screw to me.
    Point taken.

    I'd probably be a little more pissed too, especially if it was all or most of what I had, but then you've got to be stupid to put all your money, and a significant amount, in one boat.

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    Re: Bernard Madoff beat up in USA Prison

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Until they start building anon-violent offenders prison he will have to serve time behind bars. The lack of such a prison is not an excuse to be lenient.
    Those kind of prisons do exist. They're called minimum security prison camps, where people live in barracks-style accommodations and are generally allowed a little more freedom of movement. But no, he was sent to a medium-security prison where he's locked in a tiny cage with rapists and other hardened criminals.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage
    Because all the other punishments are deemed to lenient(minus the death penalty).
    Why? What's so lenient about being stripped of everything you own and forced to work for the state? Why is living in constant fear of other prisoners necessary? There is no reason why the state needs to lock a glorified embezzler in a little cage and pay men with guns to make sure he doesn't escape.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage
    If the man was a petty thief then sure those other punishments should suffice. Just because they do not have a non-violent offender's prison is no reason to go soft on the man.
    I hardly think that preventing assaults and rapes, and allowing a person more than a few square feet of living space constitutes "going soft on the man."

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage
    The man is ****ing rich. Community service,ankle bracelet is not going to do **** to him except maybe get him to bribe someone to take the bracelet off without the authorities being notified so he can flee the country with all that money.
    He doesn't have any money anymore. He had a crapload of legal bills, and his victims got whatever was left. And rightly so; I completely agree he should be stripped of everything he owned.

    What makes you think he's a flight risk anyway?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage
    Perhaps prisons could actually be a place of punishment like hard labor,
    I guess it depends what you mean by "hard labor," but prisoners generally *do* spend a lot of their day working.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage
    solitary confinement,
    Other than for protection and/or punishment for violating prison rules, I don't see why this is necessary.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage
    no weight rooms or social interaction other than working in chain gang
    Again, I don't see why this is necessary.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage
    those things like anal rape could be avoided, besides most inmates are not homosexuals. If they too busy turning big rocks into little rocks it might be a little difficult for them to find time to butt rape each other.
    What does their sexuality have to do with anything?
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    Re: Bernard Madoff beat up in USA Prison

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Government does it everyday... running Ponzi schemes that make Madoff look like a kid stealing penny candy... but... nobody seems much to mind. In fact, a lot of morons encourage it!

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    Other than Bush's war, let's hear one that fits your description (GW doesn't count).

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