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    Re: Bernard Madoff beat up in USA Prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Should I care that he's "defenseless"? You're going to have to find a different argument to pique my sympathies. We're talking about a career predator here, not some guy who went to jail for hitting a guy with his car while talking on the cellphone.



    Don't pin the rape thing on me. I didn't bring it up or joke about it, and I was quite explicit that it's an issue that I believe needs to be dealt with seriously. And I think you're keeping the rape angle alive to distract me from the fact that the nonviolence of his crime was irrelevant. (In other words, an appeal to emotion).
    If the bolded part is correct, then I really don't know what you're trying to argue about.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal
    Only "physically?" I'm pretty sure that since laws were written down on a piece of rock people have been going to prison for more than just violent crimes.

    You're smarter than this. Don't engage in these straw men.
    If it's such a no-brainer, then certainly you can answer the question. Why is locking someone in a cage the default punishment for any wrongdoing? Is the world a safer place because Bernie Madoff is in a cage, instead of under house arrest and/or wearing an ankle bracelet?
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    Re: Bernard Madoff beat up in USA Prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Kandahar,

    Not that i believe BM deserves to be raped, and beat up constantly; but there are people who are wrongly convicted, or unable to afford the legal costs necessary to beat the charges. Enforcing his rights should be the very lowest priority for society.

    Given the fact that the he admitted his crime... i can only view this as less than collateral damage. If he happens to get raped, beaten, extorted, etc..., i could care less. Lesson learned: scam billions and the consequences will be severe.
    "If he happens to get raped, beaten"...as though it were just a matter of fate instead of something the government actually had control over.
    The government has a responsibility to ensure prisoners are not abused. Allowing it to happen is no different than public officials doing it themselves.
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    Re: Bernard Madoff beat up in USA Prison

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Don you don't know a damn thing about this stuff and only seem to want to attack me for no real reason.

    Note that I did not blame the people who did not have control of their money.
    Not once did I do that, not one single time.

    You get hung up on one thing and then try to pigeon hole me, sorry you
    have failed.
    A random post of yours (25# I have no sympathy for the people who fell for his scam.)

    People do not ask their pension fund managers what to invest in, the managers do that on their own.
    Pension fund managers are a trusted position which requires them to invest other peoples money by following a code of due diligence.

    Fund managers sure are, that’s why you should not use such a big brush when say things like this.

    (#32 Nothing justifies them being ripped off but their own reckless behavior has consequences.)

    Looks like your saying tough s*** for being such a fool as putting your money in this fund. Maybe you should have done a bit of due diligence before you gave it to this crook.
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    Re: Bernard Madoff beat up in USA Prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    If the bolded part is correct, then I really don't know what you're trying to argue about.
    There were three issues (that I identified) that you brought up in post #101: rape, age and violence. I specifically dealt with the last two. You're shadowboxing with me on the rape issue because I already agree with you on it. And again you're cleverly (though obviously) keeping the rape angle alive in order to distract me. His defenselessness and the nonviolence of his crime, and the irrelevance of both, is what I addressed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    If it's such a no-brainer, then certainly you can answer the question. Why is locking someone in a cage the default punishment for any wrongdoing?
    I imagine that if I made such a statement I would certainly be liable for defending it. You also seem to be dancing around the fact that you claimed that prison was made for "physically violent" people only. I've never debated you before, and never realized how much you resort to the Stinger Shuffle technique of debate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Is the world a safer place because Bernie Madoff is in a cage, instead of under house arrest and/or wearing an ankle bracelet?
    Actually, I don't know. I'm really not terribly concerned with the particulars of a predator's incarceration so long as they're effectively quarantined from the rest of society.That goes both ways, actually: I'd be fine if he were quarantined in a dark and cold prison (sans rape), and I'd be fine if he were quarantined in a five star hotel.
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    Re: Bernard Madoff beat up in USA Prison

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    A random post of yours (25# I have no sympathy for the people who fell for his scam.)
    Do people who invest have pension funds have control over where their assets are invested?

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Fund managers sure are, that’s why you should not use such a big brush when say things like this.

    (#32 Nothing justifies them being ripped off but their own reckless behavior has consequences.)

    Looks like your saying tough s*** for being such a fool as putting your money in this fund. Maybe you should have done a bit of due diligence before you gave it to this crook.
    Yep a hedge fund is not a pension fund, there is a big difference between the 2 that you don't understand.

    Teachers, firefighters et all do not make enough money to invest in hedge funds.
    Hedge funds are play things for people with tons of money and none of those people who have those professions meet the income requirements to invest in a hedge fund.

    A pension fund is a retirement fund set up for people who are teachers, firefighters et all. They are not the same thing.

    Yes I do not feel sorry for people who stupidly took all their money and invested it in a hedge fund, hedge funds are not for retirement.

    Yes I am saying that if you, as an individual, took all your money, that you were counting on for retirement, and put it in a hedge fund, with out even bothering to use independent research, are an idiot.
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    Re: Bernard Madoff beat up in USA Prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    There were three issues (that I identified) that you brought up in post #101: rape, age and violence. I specifically dealt with the last two. You're shadowboxing with me on the rape issue because I already agree with you on it. And again you're cleverly (though obviously) keeping the rape angle alive in order to distract me. His defenselessness and the nonviolence of his crime, and the irrelevance of both, is what I addressed.
    And since "the rape issue" was obviously the main point I made in that post, whereas the references to his age was clearly just an offhand comment, you're just nitpicking.
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    Re: Bernard Madoff beat up in USA Prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    And since "the rape issue" was obviously the main point I made in that post, whereas the references to his age was clearly just an offhand comment, you're just nitpicking.
    What you added on was "...Especially when it happens to an old man who hasn't even been convicted of a violent crime himself."

    Unlike some on this forum, I make no claim at telepathy. If the main thrust of your post was the rape issue, you should have communicated that better instead of filling up the rest of your posts with what you now apparently acknowledge as being red herrings.

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    Re: Bernard Madoff beat up in USA Prison

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    Madoff treated for face, rib injuries: report | Reuters


    I don't condone this action, but it couldn't have happened to a better person.
    Hmm, and people say that the death penalty is brutal.

    EDIT: Wait, the article you linked says that he's being treated for hypertension (and the prison assault was just a rumor that's been found false). Aw..
    Last edited by Toothpicvic; 12-25-09 at 12:08 AM.

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    Re: Bernard Madoff beat up in USA Prison

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Well, he DOES owe a lot of people a lot of money. Looks like he is starting to pay it back, in ass. New poll - How many prison rapes will it take before Madoff is out of debt? My bet is quite a few.
    As much as I dislike Madoff, I find it disgusting the prison system is a place where gangs thrive, scores are settled through thug-like behavior, and people cheer from the sidelines.

    It's a place to serve your punishment, pay your debt to society... or should be.

    To have the crap that happens, and is known publicly... and is celebrated is a disgrace.

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    Re: Bernard Madoff beat up in USA Prison

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    As much as I dislike Madoff, I find it disgusting the prison system is a place where gangs thrive, scores are settled through thug-like behavior, and people cheer from the sidelines.

    It's a place to serve your punishment, pay your debt to society... or should be.

    To have the crap that happens, and is known publicly... and is celebrated is a disgrace.

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    I don't think he actually got beat up. Read the article, it's been updated.

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