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Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

No. I don't think it's something that lobbyists would get on board with and I don't think it would funnel enough money to the major parties' coffers for them to attempt something like this.

Sadly, I agree. ;)

Maybe you should run for office?
 
Can't. Atheist.

Didn't know about the non atheist qualification. :lol:


Anyway, we don't seem to be far apart. despite the flaws in government, I hope this stays a work in progress that one day gets closer to what we really need.
 
Didn't know about the non atheist qualification. :lol:


Anyway, we don't seem to be far apart. despite the flaws in government, I hope this stays a work in progress that one day gets closer to what we really need.

Naw, atheists just have a near zero probability of being elected in this country. And I'm not sure how well I'd actually work in government given my innate hatred of it. The things I would like to see done have more to do with severe restrictions and drastic cuts in size and power of government than it has to do with the installation of new programs.
 
Naw, atheists just have a near zero probability of being elected in this country. And I'm not sure how well I'd actually work in government given my innate hatred of it. The things I would like to see done have more to do with severe restrictions and drastic cuts in size and power of government than it has to do with the installation of new programs.

Well, the devil is in the details. What you cut, how you cut it, and such. I suspect we'd find some disagreement there. ;)
 
make that EIGHT incumbent dem senators heading into 2010 trailing against little pipsqueak republican unknown's

reid, specter, dorgan, lincoln, dodd, bennett and biden's seat all trail republican challengers by 5 to 22 points

sophisticated, experienced observers of politics, tho, of course, have been waiting a bit expectantly for the first numbers to surface describing the condition of the 60th aye, ben nelson

rasmussen today has not-applicable nelson behind current governor heineman by THIRTY ONE eye popping percentage points

nebraskans only, asked if they liked or disliked the deal their delegate made with devil reid, 17% approved

SIXTY TWO PERCENT opposed

that's FREE medicaid forever the corn crowd finds overwhelmingly offensive

SIXTY FOUR percent oppose THIS BILL, in nebraska

53% oppose it STRONGLY

the numbers against obama and his brokers are growing huge and fast

42% feel sway-backed ben was TOO cooperative with obama

only 13% feel he was not supportive enough

Election 2012: Nebraska Senate - Rasmussen Reports

whether death panels are real or fake, whether there should or shouldn't be a public option or single payer, the POLITICS of THIS BILL are plain as a pane:

this bill is so opprobrious across the public at large, passage of it will pulverize the party of pelosi

collapse will be immediate
 
They think its in the bag. Talk began again last night on Cap n Trade. Seems as though the crisis they keep speaking of is the 2010 elections. They know that they are going to loose big time so they must rush everything.


j-mac
 
Giving a free hand without opposition to any party would end up being bad for the country.


j-mac

I don't disagree with that. That's why I wish republicans would stop with the Birther, tea bagger, death panel, rationing, socialism nonsense. To have a strong opposition party, worthy of winning back seats, we need strong, honest, logical opposition.
 
I don't disagree with that. That's why I wish republicans would stop with the Birther, tea bagger, death panel, rationing, socialism nonsense. To have a strong opposition party, worthy of winning back seats, we need strong, honest, logical opposition.

Way to generalize there. Not all birthers are in the same party. Not all "tea baggers" are in the same party. Same goes with all of your examples there.
 
Way to generalize there. Not all birthers are in the same party. Not all "tea baggers" are in the same party. Same goes with all of your examples there.

That's true. I don't dispute that. But republicans should dislike them as much as do, more so even, as they tar republicans more than anyone else.
 
That's true. I don't dispute that. But republicans should dislike them as much as do, more so even, as they tar republicans more than anyone else.

I'll side with Boo on this one, I don't think the profiling necessarily wrong either, they are Repubs more than anyone else.

I'll even go as far as to profile myself and exonerate the Dems on the birther issue. Let's remember, the Dems weren't asking any questions....forget a birth certificate request. The "Community Organizer", using a teleprompter, he was never asked detailed questions, his plans vague and based on hope and change rhetoric. Democrat concern for campaign finance vanished, NO ONE asked about where the money was coming from even when some of his Dem primary opponents dared to ask, even when it was discovered much of it was coming from abroad.

Obama. From the most corrupt political machine we know of.....from out of nowhere...raised abroad he "found" a home in Chicago, his values certainly not on American par as his domestic agenda has proven. Backed by foreign monies, his mentors and associates some of the most questionable in Presidential history. And nobody cared.....the birth certificate was all repub.

Far as the tea baggin....they were probably majority Repub/Conservative as well. Analogy would be the war opposition in this country, it tended to be dominated by Dems as we now see what has heppened once Dems gained power....the anti-war Left in this nation has absolutely vanished.
 
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From the most corrupt political machine we know of.....from out of nowhere...raised abroad he "found" a home in Chicago, his values certainly not on American par as his domestic agenda has proven. Backed by foreign monies

This is a stinky bit isn't it? "Raised abroad"? What is that supposed to mean? Four years in Indonesia is "raised abroad" is it. Well then, I'm a Chinaman. Unless of course you mean that Hawaii was "abroad".

Xenophobia is just something that cannot be avoided by conservatives, isn't it? Stnky 'orrible, ignorant xenophobia. You know about the world? You've traveled? How unAmerican!

By the way, before or after the Obama Healthcare reforms, there isn't an advanced democracy anywhere that would swap their healthcare systems for the disaster that is America's.

Foreign monies? Don't have any evidence do you?
 
This is a stinky bit isn't it? "Raised abroad"? What is that supposed to mean? Four years in Indonesia is "raised abroad" is it. Well then, I'm a Chinaman. Unless of course you mean that Hawaii was "abroad".

Xenophobia is just something that cannot be avoided by conservatives, isn't it? Stnky 'orrible, ignorant xenophobia. You know about the world? You've traveled? How unAmerican!

By the way, before or after the Obama Healthcare reforms, there isn't an advanced democracy anywhere that would swap their healthcare systems for the disaster that is America's.

Foreign monies? Don't have any evidence do you?


Is that so? Then tell us why Canada, and England are trending toward that very thing? Opening up privatization of Insurance that offer better care alternatives to residents of both those countries?

Where do you go for your medical care Plato?


j-mac
 
Is that so? Then tell us why Canada, and England are trending toward that very thing? Opening up privatization of Insurance that offer better care alternatives to residents of both those countries?

Where do you go for your medical care Plato?


j-mac

Are they, or are you just reading factually inaccurate information from sources that don't value accuracy? Some can take a few and make it look like it's a movement.
 
Is that so? Then tell us why Canada, and England are trending toward that very thing? Opening up privatization of Insurance that offer better care alternatives to residents of both those countries?

Where do you go for your medical care Plato?


j-mac

I'm a man. I don't go to the doctor. It's for whimps.

I live in Hong Kong. So far I have only used the dentist, which is 100% provate. So I pay.

When in the UK I used the NHS. I attended a private hospital once on medical insurance. It was no different from the NHS but as i had cover from work I used it to free up NHS resources. You cannot easily get insurance to see your general practitioner so nearly everyone uses the NHS for that regard. Private insurance is used to supplement the system to skip waiting lists (which is why Companies pay for it) for non emergency care. But in the last ten years, waiting lists have come down a lot. When you get the care it's usually the same because private practitioners (who are world renowned and sought out by medical tourists) also work for the NHS. If it's not the same it's better.

And if anything the trend is for less health insurance which has been opened up for ever, and attracts tax relief. But it's a free market.

But I prefer the French system which does include the private sector, regulated by the State. This is nothing like the chaos you have in the US. And it costs just over half.
 
Far as the tea baggin....they were probably majority Repub/Conservative as well. Analogy would be the war opposition in this country, it tended to be dominated by Dems as we now see what has heppened once Dems gained power....the anti-war Left in this nation has absolutely vanished.

yes, interesting note

teabaggers (by the way, whatever happened to all those sophomoric jokes msnbc was tossing about) are UNITED on ONE point:

their intense, fervid and in-the-gut opposition to leadership coming out of and direction provided by washington

anyone who can't hear THAT lacks the most basic, fundamental awareness of politics

maybe he should read the leaves

or, failing that, he could always just read the SIGNS all the protesters were carrying
 
This is a stinky bit isn't it? "Raised abroad"? What is that supposed to mean? Four years in Indonesia is "raised abroad" is it. Well then, I'm a Chinaman. Unless of course you mean that Hawaii was "abroad".

Raised abroad was what I said, this is what Obama said in his Olympic speech.

You see, growing up, my family moved around a lot. I was born in Hawaii. I lived in Indonesia for a time. I never really had roots in any one place or culture or ethnic group. And then I came to Chicago. And on those Chicago streets, I worked alongside men and women who were black and white; Latino and Asian; people of every class and nationality and religion. I came to discover that Chicago is that most American of American cities, but one where citizens from more than 130 nations inhabit a rich tapestry of distinctive neighborhoods.

Grew up, moved around alot, never had roots. Never had roots in AMerican culture I should have saud, although, you're nitpicking here, my primary point, I don't believe our President shares American values. Look at his opinion that Chicago is the most American of American cities...because of it's differences, not its simlarities. He's not an "American" and you need to do more homework, again, I know what I'm talking about.

You know about the world? You've traveled? How unAmerican!

Even to your cold and historically rich nation.

By the way, before or after the Obama Healthcare reforms, there isn't an advanced democracy anywhere that would swap their healthcare systems for the disaster that is America's.

Must be why so many ex-English commonwealths from Canada come streaming over the border. Last time I'll remind you as you look more foolish by the post...do your homework, this was an easily researched topic.

Foreign monies? Don't have any evidence do you?

Evidence tough for the following reasons:

While the security people were not able to track most of the sources due to firewalls and other blocking devices put on these contributions they were able to collate the number of contributions that were coming in seemingly from individuals but the funds were from only a few credit card accounts and bank electronic funds transfers. The internet service providers (ISP) they were able to trace were from Saudi Arabia , Iran , and other Middle Eastern countries. One of the banks used for fund transfers was also located in Saudi Arabia .

http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/barackobama/a/obama_funds.htm

But even the most ardent of Dem supporters asking where Obama got his money but Plato....let's be real clear here....NOT A SINGLE Dem who was scremaing about campaign finance raised a hair during the record Obama campaign coffers and you'll note, the subject hasn't been raised in Congress since even with all this ACORN controversy. No one was asking about Obama's money and I do mean....no one.
 
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I hope everyone has their bills paid up, or off. I hope that everyone is secure in their jobs. I hope that demos realize that as this monstrosity takes effect, and people see no change for the upcoming 4 years, other than insurance, and Pharma companies allowed to continually raise their rates, that the demos understand as they lose a lion share of power in upcoming 2010, and 2012 elections that no matter the rhetoric they brought this on themselves.

You think insurance and Pharma companies can't raise their rates now?
 
or, failing that, he could always just read the SIGNS all the protesters were carrying

Like these?

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Or one of my faves:

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$500B Medicare cuts will have an adverse effect on the elderly.
 
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