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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    What can I say? I really enjoy watching conservatives getting screwed over
    Don't look now but it's not just conservatives getting screwed by this bill.
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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    America doesn't even have a clue what the healthcare plan is. They are just thinking what they are told to think.
    In light of the fact virtually none of the democrats who voted for either the house or senate bills bothered to read these bills and republican senators were essentially locked out of discussions about the bill, I'd hazard a guess and say even our glorious leaders don't have a clue what the healthcare plan is either.
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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    What can I say? I really enjoy watching conservatives getting screwed over
    We are all in this together. It's no wonder we can get any real reform with attitudes like this.

    In the end, it is the nation that is "screwed over".
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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    This bill does nothing to reign in medical care cost inflation and may in fact cause prices to rise, especially for younger people who are already hindered in their income with the recession.

    Things to expect;

    Decreased accessibility for seniors to find doctors.

    A general across the board rise in prices.

    Employers dropping coverage because it's cheaper to pay the fine than pay part of an employees insurance.
    Sadly, I believe you are correct. We are witnesses government at its worst and yet a segment of the population (30%) or so... is cheering it on? I am somewhat confused by such a reaction. We could have had meaningful reform. What we got was pork, special interests, and a loss of freedom while watching the long term problem become worse.
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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by The Truth View Post
    Sadly, I believe you are correct. We are witnesses government at its worst and yet a segment of the population (30%) or so... is cheering it on? I am somewhat confused by such a reaction. We could have had meaningful reform. What we got was pork, special interests, and a loss of freedom while watching the long term problem become worse.
    The majority of people who comment about medical care have no idea what drives it's cost inflation and prefer instead to resort to "my party beat your party, nah nah nah."
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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    6 mos after the bill goes into effect, insurance companies will not longer be able to deny coverage to children based on pre-existing conditions. People without kids might not fully understand what this means, but on this one point, I think it's a step in the right direction.

    Insurance companies can raise their rates, but the smart ones will figure about a better, more efficient way to do business. Offer better service at a more completive price.

    Also, the insurance exchange will put the power back in the hands of the consumer. Policies will be rated according to cost and coverage and quality of service and we'll have more information. There are many things about both bills that I don't like; it's not perfect, but it is indeed a happy Christmas.
    They will ALL raise their rates.

    It is far more efficient and cost effective business model than changing your corporate culture or process.

    There is not enough competition thanks to government regulations. In California, unless you are a government employee... you can have Blue Shield or Aetna. There is not competition.
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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    Don't look now but it's not just conservatives getting screwed by this bill.
    I'm a libertarian, so I'm used to it.

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The majority of people who comment about medical care have no idea what drives it's cost inflation and prefer instead to resort to "my party beat your party, nah nah nah."
    Sadly, you are correct. We are on the same team... but it is like watching the offense root against the defense and forgetting that we should be pulling for each other.
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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    In light of the fact virtually none of the democrats who voted for either the house or senate bills bothered to read these bills and republican senators were essentially locked out of discussions about the bill, I'd hazard a guess and say even our glorious leaders don't have a clue what the healthcare plan is either.
    You are probably right. It's too bad the two parties didn't work together over the years to come up with a decent plan. It's not like heathcare reform is something new. The problems are decades in the making. The republicans totally ignored the problem when they had the power to make changes and when the democrats try to do something they cry about it. Typical partisan politics and to hell with the country.
    I heard the plan will cost over ten years less then we will have wasted in Iraq. That's not so much.

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucky View Post
    Adding more government intervention will only multiply the problem.
    The problem already has multiplied.

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