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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, I believe that AARP thought better of their campaign to hold these meetings after this one.

    But as far as a snipe hunt for some study that may or may not exist, I'll let you do that.

    After all it is your claim that this is not happening to AARP, I should think you have figures to back that up.


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    You're free to believe what you want. But I see no evidence this was more than just a Texas, a local affair. If you have evidence on any of this, I would love to see it.

    As for my claim, again, the negative is always harder to prove. Your claim, the positive, that they are, should be much easier, if it's true. For my claim, absence of evidence is evidence. It is the negative.
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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You're free to believe what you want. But I see no evidence this was more than just a Texas, a local affair. If you have evidence on any of this, I would love to see it.

    As for my claim, again, the negative is always harder to prove. Your claim, the positive, that they are, should be much easier, if it's true. For my claim, absence of evidence is evidence. It is the negative.




    Maybe you missed American's article, it's just above..... But thanks for your permission to believe what I wish.....I'll keep that in mind.


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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post


    Maybe you missed American's article, it's just above..... But thanks for your permission to believe what I wish.....I'll keep that in mind.


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    I may have. I'll check it out.

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post


    Maybe you missed American's article, it's just above..... But thanks for your permission to believe what I wish.....I'll keep that in mind.


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    He did better than you do to be sure. But let's highlight a couple of things:

    "We take stands on issues that are contentious, it's part of what we do," Nannis said. "And because we have so many members we'll always have a small percentage that disagree with us so strongly they feel they need to cancel membership."

    The approximately 60,000 number represents members who specifically cited AARP's stance on the health overhaul debate in canceling their membership between July 1 and mid-August, Nannis said. He said that on average AARP loses some 300,000 members a month, but he couldn't say how many more members had quit for other reasons in that time period.

    He said AARP gained some 400,000 new members during the same period and that 1.5 million members renewed their membership.

    Does this really fit your claim?

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Though AARP has lost tens of thousands of members over the health care reform issue....


    Aging Right Wingers Revolt Against AARP


    Senior citizens are putting the Democratic Party's 2010 election prospects and their health care reform proposals on a collision course.

    Outraged over Democratic plans to cut between $400 billion and $500 billion from Medicare in the next decade, voters over the age of 65 are poised to make the party suffer even steeper losses at the polls than have already been predicted for the midterm election.

    "Seniors bear the brunt of these bills as they are currently funded," said Betsey McCaughey, a former Republican lieutenant governor of New York and conservative health care policy expert. "It's a medical assault on seniors."

    Democrats argue that Medicare is going bankrupt and must be reined in, and the cuts on the table will for the most part address wasteful spending and not take away benefits. But many seniors, who tend to make up a larger proportion of the electorate in off-year elections, are not convinced. They turned out in huge numbers at town hall meetings this summer, and poll numbers support what appears to be wide opposition among them.

    A new survey from Rasmussen Reports found only 33 percent of voters over the age of 65 are in favor of the Democratic health care plan outlined by President Obama -- eight points lower than the electorate as a whole. Of those seniors against the Obama plan, 46 percent said they "strongly oppose" it.

    Democrats unable to quell health care revolt among seniors | Washington Examiner

    Should I continue?


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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Should I continue?


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    Yes. Something like the other one, with more verifiable fact and less opinion.

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yes. Something like the other one, with more verifiable fact and less opinion.

    There was a capture from AARP's own site in that. How much more would you like?


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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Something to think about folks. I have always had the utmost respect for AARP and the good work they were doing for the older folks. That's how I always looked at them.

    Then, one day, I found myself with an AARP card in my pocket. It was good for hotel discounts. The card paid for itself the first time I used it.

    Then came the non-stop New York Life Insurance/AARP spam and junk-mail.

    Heck, I even added some life insurance through AARP/NYL.

    It seems to me that that AARP is joined at the hip with several entities, an insurance company being one of them.

    I would be skeptical about any position AARP might take regarding anything having to do with the business of insurance. They are too tainted to be objective. They ARE an insurance company, in many ways.

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The point wasn't about the effect of quitting, it was whether they were quitting or not.
    My point was...Meh, not a big deal.
    “We just simply don’t know how to govern” - Rep. Steve Womack (R-AR) a member of the House Budget Committee

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