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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    from your link:

    "Max Savings

    The Congressional Budget Office estimated in December that setting benchmarks for Medicare Advantage private plans to match local fee-for-service levels would save $55 billion by 2014 and $157 billion by 2019. Using a competitive bidding process to set Medicare Advantage benchmarks would save $35 billion by 2014 and $158 billion by 2019."

    from mine:

    "Senators voted 58-42 to reject an amendment by Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., that would have stripped more than $400 billion in Medicare cuts from the nearly $1 trillion measure."

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    sorry, obamacare CUTS a lot more than just med-adv
    From your link:

    "A competing amendment by Sen. Michael Bennet, D-Colo., underscoring that no benefits in traditional Medicare will be cut by the legislation, was approved 100-0."

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    no benefits cut

    LOL!

    one hundred to zero

    LOL!

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    no benefits cut

    LOL!

    one hundred to zero

    LOL!
    Presenting evidence would do more than the above comment. Do you have anything factual we can check?

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    medicare funding will be cut and it will affect those on medicare to some degree. what that will be, i don't think we know yet.

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by mtm1963 View Post
    medicare funding will be cut and it will affect those on medicare to some degree. what that will be, i don't think we know yet.

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    Maybe, or maybe it just shifts things, with an end result of not actual cut. But in any case, what we need are actual facts on this.

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Maybe, or maybe it just shifts things, with an end result of not actual cut. But in any case, what we need are actual facts on this.
    please explain.

    media reports say payments to doctors will be cut by billions and billions dollars. the bill, according to the media, will take 100's of billions from medicare in order to help pay for the cost of the bill with the rest coming from taxes.

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by mtm1963 View Post
    please explain.

    media reports say payments to doctors will be cut by billions and billions dollars. the bill, according to the media, will take 100's of billions from medicare in order to help pay for the cost of the bill with the rest coming from taxes.

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    Improvements to Medicare

    Aside from the pledge to close the infamous doughnut hole, the Senate measure would also improve Medicare by providing free preventive and wellness care, increasing home care options and establishing bonus payments to reward medical professionals who provide the best quality care. The emphasis on incentives for quality care and the new wellness and preventive screening would give Medicare a new, active role as a health care advocate, not just a bill payer.

    “Health insurance will be extended to tens of millions of people, and that puts us much closer to the standard of health coverage that exists among all the advanced industrial nations,” says Robert Binstock, a political scientist and professor of aging, health and society at Case Western Reserve University School of Medicine in Cleveland. Binstock directed a White House task force on older Americans for President Lyndon Johnson, shortly after Johnson signed legislation creating Medicare and Medicaid. “This is clearly a major landmark achievement.”

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    Key provisions

    The Senate bill would strengthen Medicare by requiring insurance companies to competitively bid to offer private Medicare Advantage plans, a move that is estimated to save $118 billion from 2010 to 2019. Currently Medicare beneficiaries are subsidizing enrollees in these plans, which cost an average of 14 percent more than traditional Medicare.

    The bill also would:

    • provide bonus payments for plans that provide top-quality service.

    • encourage states to develop more choices of long-term care services, to enable older people to live in their own homes instead of more expensive nursing homes.

    • improve health care and provide better care by, for example, giving bonus payments to hospitals with low rates of patient readmission.

    • crack down on fraud and waste in the system.

    • raise payments to primary care physicians and surgeons in areas where there is a shortage.

    Senate Approves Sweeping Health Care Reform Bill - AARP Bulletin Today

    Medicare Fact Sheet Final | The White House

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    they are still trimming 450 billion dollars from medicare.

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by mtm1963 View Post
    they are still trimming 450 billion dollars from medicare.

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    But, if it closes holes, it could be a net gain. All I'm saying is that it isn't quite as simple as some make it sound. There's a reason why AARP has been mostly supportive. Even with the cuts, it might be better all around.

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    But, if it closes holes, it could be a net gain. All I'm saying is that it isn't quite as simple as some make it sound. There's a reason why AARP has been mostly supportive. Even with the cuts, it might be better all around.

    You're right, there is a reason, a big one.


    When the AARP began its full-throated support for the President’s Health Care Scheme many wondered why this venerable organization would support a plan which would cut hundreds of billions of dollars from Medicare, mostly by putting strict price controls on the very popular Medicare Advantage program.

    By putting enormous price controls (cuts) in the Medicare Advantage program, many seniors will be forced to look to the other Medicare supplemental offer, MediGap. It just so happens that AARP sells MediGap coverage to its members. The income generated from those sales accounts for 60.3% of AARP’s revenues, ten years ago, this income only accounted for 10% of their budget.

    So, in short, the Obama Health Care Scheme puts hundreds of millions of dollars in AARP’s coffers by forcing seniors off of Medicare Advantage and into MediGap programs. You would think that this was enough of a payback to the AARP for their support. But Big Government now reveals another little prize that has been awarded to AARP in time for their recent official endorsement of the Senate Bill.

    The AARP Foundation will have received over $100, 000, 000 dollars in Federal grants by the end of this fiscal year.


    Behind the Curtain: Why AARP Supports ObamaCare - Big Government

    Like everyone else in this pay for play scheme, they were bought off.


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