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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

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    That sure was fun wasn't it? Sorry but while I agree with you, you're too idealistic on this.
    Yea, expecting adults to have self-control and financial awareness is totally idealistic.

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

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    I hope everyone has their bills paid up, or off. I hope that everyone is secure in their jobs. I hope that demos realize that as this monstrosity takes effect, and people see no change for the upcoming 4 years, other than insurance, and Pharma companies allowed to continually raise their rates, that the demos understand as they lose a lion share of power in upcoming 2010, and 2012 elections that no matter the rhetoric they brought this on themselves.

    And I hope that this, along with other plans that this administration has in mind to destroy this once great nation are reversible. For my children's sake.

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    God damned it. This is nothing but a play to the insurance companies (as I said from the beginning) and to the pharmaceutical companies (which was a surprise, cause they got theirs with Medicare Part D). As much as I hate government intervention, if we were going to do something like this we should have at least done it intelligently and in a way which served the People, not the aristocracy.
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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    God damned it. This is nothing but a play to the insurance companies (as I said from the beginning) and to the pharmaceutical companies (which was a surprise, cause they got theirs with Medicare Part D). As much as I hate government intervention, if we were going to do something like this we should have at least done it intelligently and in a way which served the People, not the aristocracy.

    I agree, and I think that this is one of the main reasons that the American people are so against this sham. Obama is so eager to proclaim success in this, that he is selling us all out for a soundbyte.


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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I agree, and I think that this is one of the main reasons that the American people are so against this sham. Obama is so eager to proclaim success in this, that he is selling us all out for a soundbyte.


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    Do you even know what is in the bill? Or what will be in the bill if it makes it through the House?
    If it is that bad the democrats will be ousted in 4 years and the GOP can put everything back to where it was. If it works well the republicans will never get power again. Is that what you're really afraid of? Seems like it.

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    Do you even know what is in the bill? Or what will be in the bill if it makes it through the House?
    If it is that bad the democrats will be ousted in 4 years and the GOP can put everything back to where it was. If it works well the republicans will never get power again. Is that what you're really afraid of? Seems like it.
    But isn't that essentially what you want to see here in the US?? Zero conservative representation??


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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Bassman View Post
    But isn't that essentially what you want to see here in the US?? Zero conservative representation??
    Why would I want that? Most of my beliefs are conservative. I just lean liberal when it comes to social issues.
    I just don't like going off half cocked without knowing all the facts, unlike some diehards here.
    If the final bill saves me money I will like it. If it costs me more, I won't. I just don't believe much that comes out of the mouths of politicians. Dem or Rep.
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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    Why would I want that? Most of my beliefs are conservative. I just lean liberal when it comes to social issues.
    Yet without a strong opposition to the Democrats, they will essentially be the only game in town.
    I just don't like going off half cocked without knowing all the facts, unlike some diehards here.
    If the final bill saves me money I will like it. If it costs me more, I won't. I just don't believe much that comes out of the mouths of politicians. Dem or Rep.
    But that's the point. I would rather the government stay the **** out of social welfare issues like healthcare and poverty because of their piss-poor handling of the latter.


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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    Do you even know what is in the bill? Or what will be in the bill if it makes it through the House?
    If it is that bad the democrats will be ousted in 4 years and the GOP can put everything back to where it was. If it works well the republicans will never get power again. Is that what you're really afraid of? Seems like it.
    It's less of a Republican/Democrat thing and more of a competency in government thing. While it's not unreasonable to ask if we can use government intelligently so that we can make healthcare more affordable to the masses, the rub in that statement is using government intelligently. Government isn't the most intelligent of creations, and oft works only for their own power and greed. As such, when you actually employ the government to intercede in these types of affairs, the outcome is mostly something to funnel money from the People and to the protected classes for which Congress serves. The healthcare bill currently is more a play towards insurance and pharmaceutical companies than it is something for the betterment of the People. It's one of the dangers of using government to solve problems, it usually just makes things worse.
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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's less of a Republican/Democrat thing and more of a competency in government thing. While it's not unreasonable to ask if we can use government intelligently so that we can make healthcare more affordable to the masses, the rub in that statement is using government intelligently. Government isn't the most intelligent of creations, and oft works only for their own power and greed. As such, when you actually employ the government to intercede in these types of affairs, the outcome is mostly something to funnel money from the People and to the protected classes for which Congress serves. The healthcare bill currently is more a play towards insurance and pharmaceutical companies than it is something for the betterment of the People. It's one of the dangers of using government to solve problems, it usually just makes things worse.
    First, I thank you for the reasoned response.

    But, can't this be said of almost all large organizations, including big business?

    As for a play toward the insurance companies. As I understand it it boils down to this. We need to do away with things like pre-existing conditions. One poster here, actually arguing against mandated insurance, noted that with no refusal pre-existing conditions, a person could sign up once notified of a serious problem, or suspecting one, get the treatment paid for and drop the policy, essentially getting a lot of money and paying little out. So, the insurance industry has a concern here, and rightly so.

    To combat this concern, and it is a reasonable compromise, insurance is mandated. I would call this anything unreasonable for either the insurance industry ot the government to discuss and address.

    Now as for the pharmaceutical industry, what are you referring to exactly?

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