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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    sure, if you don't have insurance this bill is for you

    go buy it, says the bill

    thanks, bill

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    sure, if you don't have insurance this bill is for you

    go buy it, says the bill

    thanks, bill
    They should have to buy it. We should not have to pay for their healthcare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    At less cost then they do now. Again, you pay right now.
    Except that claim of "less cost" is a mirage. Under government supervision costs will continue to rise putting further burden on the tax payers and ultimately the economy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    OK. I understand. You do believe it's OK for some to leech off others.

    I really don't want government interference either but the private sector has shown they can not do the job. The profit motive is the major cause of inflated heathcare costs and it is draining every other sector of the economy. Our healthcare system is broken.

    Hospitals have to treat you, insurance or not. It's law. Just go to any emergency room. The rest of us pay for that through higher premiums and costs. If you do not have insurance you should not be allowed to use the system the rest of us pay for.
    That claim that it is "draining other sectors of the economy" is interesting if you look deep into it, because despite decades of soaring costs, the economy and enterprise have experienced great growth and low unemployment over those same recent years.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    The private sector doesn't have all the answers either. They have proven that over and over. There is just as much corruption in the private sector as in government. Hell, it's the same bunch of people.
    Just look at Goldman Sachs, a huge player in the financial meltdown. It's CEO was also the secretary of the Treasury. What you fail to understand is that the private sector owns the government.


    What is your solution to the healthcare problem?
    The solution is for America to stop believing healthcare is a civil right. Create a system paid for by humanitarian private donations that cares for those without insurance in their last days of life. Teach people that life and health is not guaranteed, and a proper nutritional living standard is the best insurance. And teach both the fit and the self abusers to accept their ultimate outcomes.

    Otherwise, under our current cultural mindset, society will always default to a system where the uninsured "leech off" of those more capable. Whether by government demand, or private sector reaction to maintain profits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    They should have to buy it. We should not have to pay for their healthcare.
    "shoulds" have so little do with things

    they're so boring and so for children

    the only thing that matters and therefore is interesting is "is"

    and they "do"

    they "do" have to buy it

    all the rest is hot air

    congrats

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    They should have to buy it. We should not have to pay for their healthcare.
    What happens if they don't buy it? They are fined.

    What happens if they don't pay the fine? They are prosecuted and ultimately jailed. Possibly, repeatedly if they never "rehabilitate". Or, their wages are garnished, bringing hardship to the family standard.

    So, what will happen to all these people who are now forced toward incarceration or hardship by the healthcare system? ...

    ...they become wards to you and me, paid for by our tax dollars.

    The government-at least this Progressive brand of it-is not the answer either.

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    and, yes, if you don't have insurance THIS BILL IS FOR YOU

    LOL!

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    , Section 501 of the bill provides that an individual must be "covered by acceptable coverage at all times." "Acceptable coverage" includes "qualified health benefits plan coverage," "grandfathered health insurance coverage," "Medicare," "Medicaid," coverage provided to members of the armed forces and their dependants, "coverage under the veteran's health care program," people who receive health care "through the Indian Health Service," or other coverage deemed acceptable by the Secretary of Health and Human Services. If a person does not have acceptable health care coverage, Section 501 imposes a tax on that person "not to exceed the applicable national average premium":

    (a) TAX IMPOSED.-In the case of any individual who does not meet the requirements of subsection (d) at any time during the taxable year, there is hereby imposed a tax equal to 2.5 percent of the excess of-

    (1) the taxpayer's modified adjusted gross income for the taxable year, over

    (2) the amount of gross income specified in section 6012(a)(1) with respect to the taxpayer.

    (b) LIMITATIONS.-

    (1) TAX LIMITED TO AVERAGE PREMIUM.-

    (A) IN GENERAL.-The tax imposed under subsection (a) with respect to any taxpayer for any taxable year shall not exceed the applicable national average premium for such taxable year.

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    yup, that's the bill

    good job, i guess

    and, once more, always, congrats

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    yup, that's the bill

    good job, i guess

    and, once more, always, congrats
    I thought I better post it. You didn't seem to understand.

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    Leeching off your parents is the worst form. They volunteered their help feeling obligated because you were their son and you took advantage of it to enrich yourself. At least I paid my parents back when I was able.
    Here is your problem, you think your opinion is the only way things can be done, you impose judgements on other people and cannot even debate without being condescending, not even really caring about others situations or needs/wants, so it is perfect that you hold a position of this bill being something good because you think you have all the answers.
    Not shown the greatest judgement?
    See above.
    I have 500k in my 401k, a 550k home paid for and 150k in savings and CDs. All accomplished in less than 20 years.
    Oh wow, man I'm impressed. Seriously I've seen plenty of that in my profession and more, you're right at the average.
    Don't worry about me, my judgement is fine. In your case having a piece of land and nothing else is not the smartest move.
    You obviously don't know much about land values or sitting on an investment, that's okay, economic discipline isn't for everyone.

    It's been real, but you don't add much to a debate and think you have it all figured out, so I'm gonna go ahead and put you on ignore now since there is nothing more to discuss with you.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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