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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

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    LOL!

    thus spake john maynard
    You're welcome to provide evidence.

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Of course there is more than just heart transplants. That was just one example, and only of cost.
    Yes, you chose THE most expensive procedure out there while trying to talk about everyday average medical needs.

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    But many really could afford the cost of emergency treatment which could also get quite expensive, depending on what was needed.
    Did you mean "could NOT afford the cost"?


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    Tort reform has been addressed in more than a few states with no effect on costs. You can check that out.
    Single states are not going to solve the problem. This is what the federal government is for.

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    And while I'm not opposed to interstate purchasing of insurance, I doubt it would solve any more problems than tort reform.
    Why not? We already have evidence that it will keep the cost of insurance down through car insurance costs.

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    As for cost, I beg to differ. Most really can't add thousands of dollars to their monthly budget, especially since they are likely to need services agains before they get things paid off. It isn't like much of this is one time and you get the rest of your life to pay. It's on going and something that would build if tackled the way your propose.
    Thats what they say. But in reality people CAN pay for it if they are willing to give up a few luxuries and actually work. Like TV, cell phone, computers etc etc. I can't count how many people that I have known that was on every assistance program possible and yet they were at home eating chips and drinking soda and letting their kids wear the crappiest of clothes. All the while never realizing that they could get out and get a job. On the other hand I can count on one hand some people that worked 2-3 jobs in order to not just pay the bills but also get all those luxuries.
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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    OK. I understand. You do believe it's OK for some to leech off others.
    If that's what you take from my explanation, then you don't
    I really don't want government interference either but the private sector has shown they can not do the job.
    Wrong, the private sector is doing the best it can with the mess that is health overregulation. This is the government's mess, not the private sectors.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Yes, you chose THE most expensive procedure out there while trying to talk about everyday average medical needs.



    Did you mean "could NOT afford the cost"?




    Single states are not going to solve the problem. This is what the federal government is for.



    Why not? We already have evidence that it will keep the cost of insurance down through car insurance costs.



    Thats what they say. But in reality people CAN pay for it if they are willing to give up a few luxuries and actually work. Like TV, cell phone, computers etc etc. I can't count how many people that I have known that was on every assistance program possible and yet they were at home eating chips and drinking soda and letting their kids wear the crappiest of clothes. All the while never realizing that they could get out and get a job. On the other hand I can count on one hand some people that worked 2-3 jobs in order to not just pay the bills but also get all those luxuries.
    Yes, I meant could not afford.

    So, what makes federal government special? Why can't states solve the problem? This is a new proposition than I usually hear from conservatives. Tort reform, and what it means, has been done by states. I see nothing the feds can do that would be different, so this interests me.

    Is your auto insurance cost low? I hope this isn't your evidence.

    And no, I know a little bit about living, people really can't afford much of this. Remember before insurance? People paid with fruits and vegetables. Don't know a health care provider who'll go back to that. You think what you like, but like I said, it isn't one cost and then nothing. Health care is on going. Few can actually afford it.

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yes, I meant could not afford.
    I've shown how they could afford it. Work more jobs and get rid of luxuries.

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    So, what makes federal government special? Why can't states solve the problem? This is a new proposition than I usually hear from conservatives. Tort reform, and what it means, has been done by states. I see nothing the feds can do that would be different, so this interests me.
    The difference between individual states doing it and the federal government is that when it's done by the states it only applies to that state. No other state has to recognize it. In order to sue a company you must sue their home base...not just the branch which you live next to. This is when conflicting state laws can interfere. (I know it doesn't sound right but that is still the case of what actually happens) If the federal government does it then it applies across ALL states. There are no conflicting laws.

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    Is your auto insurance cost low? I hope this isn't your evidence.
    $920 full coverage for 1 year. What's your health insurance cost you for 1 year?

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    And no, I know a little bit about living, people really can't afford much of this. Remember before insurance? People paid with fruits and vegetables. Don't know a health care provider who'll go back to that. You think what you like, but like I said, it isn't one cost and then nothing. Health care is on going. Few can actually afford it.
    *looks around my house and at my bills* I think that I know a little bit about living also. I've paid every medical bill that I have ever had and was responsible for (IE since I was 18). With no outside help. While sure I've never been in an accident or seriously sick I have no doubt that I could still pay for any average emergency medical care that I needed.
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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    BTW here's a question for ya. On average emergency medical costs are around 30-40k, I'll even go as high as 60k. How is it possible for someone like me to own property that cost 45k? And it's fully paid off. Remember, I only make 14k gross per year.

    Bit of info on the land when I bought it:

    15 acres, no electricity, no house, no water.
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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Wrong, the private sector is doing the best it can with the mess that is health overregulation. This is the government's mess, not the private sectors.
    You can't be serious. You are pulling my leg aren't you?
    The healthcare industry is the private sector and has congress in their pockets. Over-regulation? The insurance companies can pretty much do whatever they want. Charge what they want, pay what they want and insure who they want. Hospitals and clinics can do the same.

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    BTW here's a question for ya. On average emergency medical costs are around 30-40k, I'll even go as high as 60k. How is it possible for someone like me to own property that cost 45k? And it's fully paid off. Remember, I only make 14k gross per year.

    Bit of info on the land when I bought it:

    15 acres, no electricity, no house, no water.
    You make 14k a year and bought a piece of land for 45K? How and why?

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

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    You can't be serious. You are pulling my leg aren't you?
    Premiums are set based on cost and risk, cost comes from labor, price to provide testing, regulatory compliance, and other associated fees and taxes. Because of tort abuse over the years, many tests are ordered just to cover against lawsuits, even when it is painfully obvious what the patient has. Regulatory compliance is expensive, and many needless regulations add to the compliance costs that are already burdensome. Taxes and fees come from............

    The healthcare industry is the private sector and has congress in their pockets. Over-regulation? The insurance companies can pretty much do whatever they want.
    Really, because all of the forms I am forced to sign, along with my clients, and many times in duplicate and triplicate are required by state and federal law, so no, insurance companies sure can't do "whatever they want", there is also a set rate in many states and the federal would love that power, so please, drop this naive and generalized view of the industry, it's much more complicated than the simple and idiotic DNC talking points.
    Charge what they want, pay what they want and insure who they want.
    Complete bull****.
    Hospitals and clinics can do the same.
    Also complete bull****, there are thousands of regulations that drive up the price of your visit before you even park your ass in the lobby, so stop this "private sector bad" rant while you still have some credibility.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    You make 14k a year and bought a piece of land for 45K? How and why?
    I worked for it and didn't buy any luxuries and didn't make minimum payments. Sure it wasn't easy. But it was done.

    As for why? Why not? Doesn't everyone want their own piece of land to call home?
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