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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Just an observation, Auto insurance is a State mandate in most if not all states. Not a federal issue.


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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Just an observation, Auto insurance is a State mandate in most if not all states. Not a federal issue.


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    That's true, but the concept is the same. You're still letting the government, state government, mandate the purchase of an insurance.

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's true, but the concept is the same. You're still letting the government, state government, mandate the purchase of an insurance.

    No sir. The State doesn't tell me which policies I must buy, only that I be covered if I plan on driving a vehicle I own. Also, I am not limited to those insurance companies located within my own state either, I can buy from anyone in the country. That is what contains cost. no?


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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No sir. The State doesn't tell me which policies I must buy, only that I be covered if I plan on driving a vehicle I own. Also, I am not limited to those insurance companies located within my own state either, I can buy from anyone in the country. That is what contains cost. no?


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    It does tell you if you want to drive. The only difference is that with auto insurance you can choose not to drive and fix the problem. You cannot choose not to need health care. You get in an accident, and are hurt seriously, you will be treated. If you are uninsured, we will pay for you. However, the premise is the same.

    Interstate buying is another issue, but I have read some things that say opening it would likely raise cost and not lower them. It might be interesting to find out.

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It does tell you if you want to drive.

    Um, no it doesn't....Please show me where a State, any State, tells me what insurance I must have if I want to drive in that State.


    The only difference is that with auto insurance you can choose not to drive and fix the problem. You cannot choose not to need health care. You get in an accident, and are hurt seriously, you will be treated. If you are uninsured, we will pay for you. However, the premise is the same.

    No it's not, not even close to the same. In one case you have a heavy handed federal government telling you what you must buy or face consequences of jail time, on the other you have an elective privilege that is only dictated by State minimums of coverage that you can purchase from anyone.


    Interstate buying is another issue, but I have read some things that say opening it would likely raise cost and not lower them. It might be interesting to find out.

    Yes, because more choice always drives up costs right?


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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    You don't get it. Buying health insurance is taking responsiblity. Leeching off the rest of us isn't. There should be consequences for letting the rest of us pay for your healthcare.
    It amazes me that so called conservatives think it's OK to go without insurance and let others pay for it. Time to make deadbeats get insurance or pay their own way.
    Exactly! If I refuse a plan then simply allow me to quickly die off. I can just use what funding I have on pain killers. It's my call and I should live and die with the consequences.

    However, you do realize that at some point if you become terminal, even your beloved Obamacare will not afford you every possible service to remain alive. Somewhere along the line you will leech off of the taxpayers (sooner than you think), fork out more out-of-pocket pursuing service Obamacare will not provide, or join me on the deathbed.

    In fact, all three options will be the exact full scenario for most people who suffer terminal illness.
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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Um, no it doesn't....Please show me where a State, any State, tells me what insurance I must have if I want to drive in that State.
    It tells you that you must have auto insurance if you want to drive. No one is telling what health insurance to buy. Both require a minimum.



    No it's not, not even close to the same. In one case you have a heavy handed federal government telling you what you must buy or face consequences of jail time, on the other you have an elective privilege that is only dictated by State minimums of coverage that you can purchase from anyone.
    No, the consequence of not having insurance is a 2.5% tax. Same with health insurance.





    Yes, because more choice always drives up costs right?


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    More the reasons for the differences in cost don't go away.

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It tells you that you must have auto insurance if you want to drive. No one is telling what health insurance to buy. Both require a minimum.

    Sure they are. Can I buy Insurance that is not offered in my state? Because I can with Auto insurance.


    No, the consequence of not having insurance is a 2.5% tax. Same with health insurance.

    that is IF I choose to drive. I can't opt out of Obamacare.


    More the reasons for the differences in cost don't go away.

    then why was the mantra of the public option crowd to hammer "competition", and "choice"?


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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Sure they are. Can I buy Insurance that is not offered in my state? Because I can with Auto insurance.
    That doesn't equal no choice.


    that is IF I choose to drive. I can't opt out of Obamacare.
    Right, and I've explained the difference. You have to address that explanation to move forward.



    then why was the mantra of the public option crowd to hammer "competition", and "choice"?


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    Because it offers real competition and choice.

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Sure they are. Can I buy Insurance that is not offered in my state? Because I can with Auto insurance.


    My health insurance is from a company in another state.

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