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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    politics are dramatic



    who cares?

    america wants it done right today

    america doesn't want it done wrong

    america cares a lot



    i completely understand



    i know

    obama needs to fix it
    The democrats believe they are doing it right. The republicans believe it is wrong. They had the chance to do it their way and did nothing. They should stop crying about it .
    Heck by the time the bill makes it through the House it will be totally ineffective anyway.

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    The people should not have to pay for their treatment through higher taxes, premiums and healthcare costs
    ah, that's the problem

    I think the healthcare bill is horrible
    well, there ya go

    They are responsible for the democrats screwing everything up because they did nothing
    and I'M a drama queen?

    LOL!

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    The democrats believe they are doing it right. The republicans believe it is wrong. They had the chance to do it their way and did nothing. They should stop crying about it .
    Heck by the time the bill makes it through the House it will be totally ineffective anyway.
    sorry, you said yourself the bill was horrible

    i'm sorry the bill's horrible

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    sorry, you said yourself the bill was horrible

    i'm sorry the bill's horrible
    I blame the republicans as much as the democrats for the bill. Their inaction has brought us to this point.

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Bassman View Post
    What price would that be? Because having big daddy gubment wiping your ass sure ain't taking personal responsibility. BRB with the figures.


    Read on

    Up to $3,800 fine for failure get health insurance
    Sep 8 12:54 PM US/Eastern
    Bassman:

    First of all, welcome to DP. A piece of advice, when you link to hyper-partisan sites like Breitbart, it doesn't do a lot for your credibility. In other words, don't present spin and talking points to support your argument.

    1) Have the bills been reconciled yet?
    2) Has anybody actually been fined for not buying health insurance?
    3) Why would someone who could afford health insurance not have it?
    4) Won't the fines offset the massive costs of running public hospital emergency rooms that are being misused as primary care physicians?

    If you're a fat slob super-sizing your way to early onset diabetes, get off your couch, sell your widescreen tv, and buy some friggin' insurance, porky.

    Let's all calm the f the down and take an objective intelligent look at the proposed bills... Shall we?

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    Another phoney conservative. You believe it's OK for people to leech off others?
    First off, never said that. You are using Nancy Pelosi logic to describe the symptom of artificially high prices in medicine created by initial government and tort interference, secondly, you are using the flawed logic of stating that you are "free riding" someone, this is also a very partisan misnomer, if anything, you are paying for government mandates that made the price of coverage undesireable to the ratio of potential use, get it yet? Next, you are supporting a very unconstitutional mandate to purchase something undesired by using federal force, all of which will not solve the initial problem of government interference. So please, tell me how I am a phony conservative when I happen to follow an anti-federalist/constitution model.
    The federal government is granted the power to ensure the general welfare of it's people. The health of it's people is included in "general welfare". Sorry , but read the constitution.
    I can tell you right from the start that you are using purposefully flawed analysis, the general welfare clause has NOTHING to do with providing basic services, it is basically to insure against things that no individual or community can provide which cannot be used by the public. i.e. a bridge, dam, public road, etc.
    I do believe everyone should have basic health insurance as long as hospitals are forced to treat them.
    That's terrific, so how do you propose we do that, considering this bill just raised costs?
    The people should not have to pay for their treatment through higher taxes, premiums and healthcare costs. The government should be there to help those that can not afford insurance to get it.
    Not addressed in this bill, however tax increases, mandates, etc. are included.

    I think the healthcare bill is horrible but I do know the system is broken and something had to be done.
    So, you want an awful bill with no benefit and even less chance of repeal as opposed to leaving things alone until people who actually have a good idea come around? That doesn't make any sense.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I can tell you right from the start that you are using purposefully flawed analysis, the general welfare clause has NOTHING to do with providing basic services, it is basically to insure against things that no individual or community can provide which cannot be used by the public. i.e. a bridge, dam, public road, etc.
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    Wrong. The general welfare means just that. There is nothing about bridges, dams etc. How many dams were built by the colonists? Roads were the state's responsibility. As in The Declaration of Independence we have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
    We elected people in government to decide what is the best welfare of the people. The constitution gave them broad power to determine what general welfare means and our votes determines who makes those calls. It's what a democracy is.
    General welfare can include education, health, and basic needs of the people. It's just as important as defense. The people we elected make the decisions as to what is best for us. That's just the way it is. I didn't write the Constitution. If I had I would haverestricted federal government much more.

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    Wrong. The general welfare means just that.........
    Read the writings of the time.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

    LMR

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    So, you want an awful bill with no benefit and even less chance of repeal as opposed to leaving things alone until people who actually have a good idea come around? That doesn't make any sense.
    Who decides what a good bill is? The democrats actually believe they have good ideas and it does make sense to them. I still don't know much about the bill so I don't know if it good or bad, but they knew they had to do whatever it took to get this passed as soon as possible or it never would happen and things would only get worse for millions of Americans..
    The thing is, there really is not a good solution that everyone will agree on. There never is. What if this bill passes and turns out to reduce costs and does provide insurance for everyone? No one knows for sure what will happen if it's passed.

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Read the writings of the time.
    I have read some of The Federalist Papers. Have you? Nothing about dams and roads in it. General Welfare.


    " provides that the governing body empowered by the document may enact laws as it sees fit to promote the well-being of the people governed thereunder. Such clauses are generally interpreted as granting the state broad power to regulate for the general welfare that is independent of other powers specified in the governing document."
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