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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    Do you want to pay their way because their choice is to freeload off others?
    thank you for asking, what a classy approach

    sincerely, i don't have the answers

    i'm not the president, i don't have to have em

    he does

    my opinion is totally uninteresting, i'm just one little guy

    just like you and everyone else

    i'm really not that interested in any one person's opinion, i'm surprised you care about mine

    tho the overall drift of discussions is super important to all of us, inerrantly revealing

    i just want facts

    and the POLITICS of those real things going down

    in my opinion, this piece is political poison

    cuzza the youth vote

    cuzza the seniors

    cuzza the teabaggers

    cuzza america the way she is, in her all her vast size and scope, today

    cuzza the states' budgets, they can't possibly handle this (and everyone knows it)

    cuzza obama's personality, his amateurish salesmanship

    this health care bill is gonna pulverize the party in power

    my sincere opinion

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    Do you want to pay their way because their choice is to freeload off others?
    Back in the 70s in my teens I took responsiblity for myself and bought health insurance. Everyone should take personal responsiblity and if they don't they should pay a price.
    What price would that be? Because having big daddy gubment wiping your ass sure ain't taking personal responsibility. BRB with the figures.


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    Up to $3,800 fine for failure get health insurance
    Sep 8 12:54 PM US/Eastern

    WASHINGTON (AP) - A top senator is calling for fines of up to $3,800 on families who fail to get medical insurance after a health care overhaul goes into effect.
    The plan from Democratic Sen. Max Baucus of Montana would make health insurance mandatory, just like auto coverage. It would provide tax credits to help cover the cost for people making up to three times the federal poverty level. That's about $66,000 for a family of four, and $32,000 for an individual.

    But those who still don't sign up would face hefty fines, starting at $750 a year for individuals and $1,500 for families. The maximum penalty on individuals would be $950.

    Baucus is hoping his plan can win bipartisan support. A copy of his proposal was obtained by The Associated Press.
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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    How the Baucus bill contradicts Obama's goals - Sep. 22, 2009)

    from cnn, an article that made the rounds in september

    it's very difficult reading, but what it says is---obamacare incentivizes employers to drop their coverage and pay the much smaller fines

    and the employees dropped are also incentivized to go it alone, they will take cash instead of insurance from their employers

    and when they go buy, they get subsidies from the govt so come out a couple thousand a year ahead

    everyone wins, the employer who dumps coverage, the worker who gets subsidized

    everyone, that is, except for the federal debt

    ie, the taxpayer

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    How the Baucus bill contradicts Obama's goals - Sep. 22, 2009)

    from cnn, an article that made the rounds in september

    it's very difficult reading, but what it says is---obamacare incentivizes employers to drop their coverage and pay the much smaller fines

    and the employees dropped are also incentivized to go it alone, they will take cash instead of insurance from their employers

    and when they go buy, they get subsidies from the govt so come out a couple thousand a year ahead

    everyone wins, the employer who dumps coverage, the worker who gets subsidized

    everyone, that is, except for the federal debt

    ie, the taxpayer
    So regardless, we all get screwed every way to Tuesdeay, and that without Vaseline


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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Bassman View Post
    What price would that be? Because having big daddy gubment wiping your ass sure ain't taking personal responsibility. BRB with the figures.


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    Up to $3,800 fine for failure get health insurance
    Sep 8 12:54 PM US/Eastern
    You don't get it. Buying health insurance is taking responsiblity. Leeching off the rest of us isn't. There should be consequences for letting the rest of us pay for your healthcare.
    It amazes me that so called conservatives think it's OK to go without insurance and let others pay for it. Time to make deadbeats get insurance or pay their own way.

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    we get it, friend

    there's right ways to go about what you're saying

    and there's reid's way

    either way, you won

    it's yours

    you don't need to convince us

    you have to bring along america

    better start with the youth

    the seniors, forget about it

    seniors, by the way, run this country

    especially in off years

    cuz they got all the money, they vote, and they know what's going on

    congrats, enjoy your big health care win

    don't look at the polls, they might depress you

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    You don't get it. Buying health insurance is taking responsiblity. Leeching off the rest of us isn't.
    This one sentance proved YOU are the one who doesn't get it. I'll go ahead and explain this for you, the federal government is neither charged with nor granted the power to enforce morality, ethics, or responsibility, they have very limited and specific powers for a very good reason, maybe you should go back and read the founding writings again, you would see why our current political system is a mess and WHY they weren't supposed to go this far in the first place.
    .....consequences for letting the rest of us pay for your healthcare.
    Ask yourself why you have to pay for "others" healthcare in the first place, then I will be happy to answer any questions you have about it. Until then, maybe you should stay away from this type of rhetoric, as you are complaining about a symptom, not a problem.
    It amazes me that so called conservatives think it's OK to go without insurance and let others pay for it. Time to make deadbeats get insurance or pay their own way.
    Deadbeats huh? So Ms. Pelosi.....oh sorry, you are using Democrat talking points again, tell whatever group you are getting these from that it is NOT.....let me repeat........NOT the federal governments responsibility to legislate healthcare OR responsibility.

    This legislation sucks and liberals own it....plus the fallout, stop with the rationalizing and get to acceptance, liberalism fails again.
    Bye.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    we get it, friend

    there's right ways to go about what you're saying

    and there's reid's way

    either way, you won

    it's yours

    you don't need to convince us

    you have to bring along america

    better start with the youth

    the seniors, forget about it

    seniors, by the way, run this country

    especially in off years

    cuz they got all the money, they vote, and they know what's going on

    congrats, enjoy your big health care win

    don't look at the polls, they might depress you
    Man you are Queen of Drama.
    Why didn't the GOP do it the right way when they had the chance? They are great at ignoring prolems, but useless at solving them. This was not a victory for me. It should have never got to this point where 30 million Americans have no insurance and millions more can barely pay for it. Healthcare has become a huge drain on our economy.

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    Man you are Queen of Drama.
    politics are dramatic

    Why didn't the GOP do it the right way when they had the chance?
    who cares?

    america wants it done right today

    america doesn't want it done wrong

    america cares a lot

    This was not a victory for me
    i completely understand

    Healthcare has become a huge drain on our economy.
    i know

    obama needs to fix it

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    This one sentance proved YOU are the one who doesn't get it. I'll go ahead and explain this for you, the federal government is neither charged with nor granted the power to enforce morality, ethics, or responsibility, they have very limited and specific powers for a very good reason, maybe you should go back and read the founding writings again, you would see why our current political system is a mess and WHY they weren't supposed to go this far in the first place. Ask yourself why you have to pay for "others" healthcare in the first place, then I will be happy to answer any questions you have about it. Until then, maybe you should stay away from this type of rhetoric, as you are complaining about a symptom, not a problem. Deadbeats huh? So Ms. Pelosi.....oh sorry, you are using Democrat talking points again, tell whatever group you are getting these from that it is NOT.....let me repeat........NOT the federal governments responsibility to legislate healthcare OR responsibility.

    This legislation sucks and liberals own it....plus the fallout, stop with the rationalizing and get to acceptance, liberalism fails again.
    Bye.
    Another phoney conservative. You believe it's OK for people to leech off others?
    The federal government is granted the power to ensure the general welfare of it's people. The health of it's people is included in "general welfare". Sorry , but read the constitution.
    I do believe everyone should have basic health insurance as long as hospitals are forced to treat them. The people should not have to pay for their treatment through higher taxes, premiums and healthcare costs. The government should be there to help those that can not afford insurance to get it.

    I think the healthcare bill is horrible but I do know the system is broken and something had to be done. Too bad the republicans sat on their hands when they had the chance to make some good changes. They are responsible for the democrats screwing everything up because they did nothing.

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