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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Tell that to Survivor Winner Hatch. He failed to pay his taxes on the $1 million that he won. Believing that he didn't have to. Of course he was wrong. But the IRS slapped a lawsuit on him for it...without working with him on it first. He went to a federal prison for 15 months.

    point being is that the IRS doesn't HAVE to work with you. It can slap you with a lawsuit at any time.

    And again the two are linked. You don't do one you get fined, don't get that fine payed you go to jail. You can't have one without the other.

    And lets get real here. They may call it a tax but it is not a tax. It is a fine.
    A lot more money than I had to deal with, but I suspect a few details are being left out.

    It's both a tax and a fine, and if you don't pay your tax, you will be fined. But no matter how many times you travel down this road, what someone would go to jail for is not failure to be insured, but for not paying his or her taxes. That's just a fact.



    You only get this "tax" if you don't have health insurance. IE it is a punishment for not having health insurance.
    Incorrect. You don't go to jail for not having insurance. There's no option to skip the tax and put you in jail. You have to break a second law before you go to jail.

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by The Truth View Post
    Here is post #75



    Again, you oppose the Democratic Health Care bill.

    But, you lack of "compassion" and "sympathy" for Conservatives or Republicans (I am not sure which or both so forgive me or correct me if I on this element) allows you to cheer against them. Did I capture that correctly?
    The same crowd who cheered on the Patriot Act and the War in Iraq is pretty much the same crowd who railed against healthcare reform. I'm talking generalities, because there are always exceptions to the rule.

    Also, just because some find one piece of legislation to be abhorrent doesn't make it so. There are others out there who support it.

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    The same crowd who cheered on the Patriot Act and the War in Iraq is pretty much the same crowd who railed against healthcare reform. I'm talking generalities, because there are always exceptions to the rule.

    Also, just because some find one piece of legislation to be abhorrent doesn't make it so. There are others out there who support it.
    Well neither you nor I do... yet you are alright with poking a majority of those who are against it in the rhetorical eye. Perhaps a more constructive move would be to find common ground.

    I am just saying. It takes all types to make the world go round.

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by The Truth View Post
    Well neither you nor I do... yet you are alright with poking a majority of those who are against it in the rhetorical eye. Perhaps a more constructive move would be to find common ground.

    I am just saying. It takes all types to make the world go round.

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    I'll give you common ground. Let's tie legislation to overturn healthcare reform along with legislation to end the War in Iraq immediately. I'll support joint legislation for that. Separate these issues and my support is lost.

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    A lot more money than I had to deal with, but I suspect a few details are being left out.

    It's both a tax and a fine, and if you don't pay your tax, you will be fined. But no matter how many times you travel down this road, what someone would go to jail for is not failure to be insured, but for not paying his or her taxes. That's just a fact.
    It is a fact that if no one had to pay the fine then this issue would not have even been brought up. Obviously the two are linked. You can try to seperate them all that you want. Fact is that with out this fine then the clause's in the tax code would not apply.



    Incorrect. You don't go to jail for not having insurance. There's no option to skip the tax and put you in jail. You have to break a second law before you go to jail.
    I was defining the word "Tax" and "Fine". It was not directed at the going to jail part of this discussion. The fact that people are calling it a tax is disingenuous. The fact that the Government is calling it a tax and linking it to the tax codes is also disingenuous and a flat out lie. One needs to only look at the definitions of the two words to see this.

    I have a theory as to why the government is calling it a tax and is linking it to the tax code. Though I'm sure that there's no way to substantiate this.

    The theory is this.

    If it was instead called a fine by the government and treated as such it would be handled through the courts directly. This allows people to challenge it much easier.

    Going through the tax code however the government then creates more legal red tape before it ever gets to the courts. All they have to do is use the same kind of argument that you are trying to put forth. Even if that argument is disingenuous because it tries to seperate the two. Even though they are linked.
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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    I'll give you common ground. Let's tie legislation to overturn healthcare reform along with legislation to end the War in Iraq immediately. I'll support joint legislation for that. Separate these issues and my support is lost.
    One: the war in Iraq is finished. Has been for quite a while.

    Two: why link the two? They are two seperate issues that have nothing to do with each other. Linking the two would only confuse things. Is that what you want?
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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I hope everyone has their bills paid up, or off. I hope that everyone is secure in their jobs. I hope that demos realize that as this monstrosity takes effect, and people see no change for the upcoming 4 years, other than insurance, and Pharma companies allowed to continually raise their rates, that the demos understand as they lose a lion share of power in upcoming 2010, and 2012 elections that no matter the rhetoric they brought this on themselves.

    And I hope that this, along with other plans that this administration has in mind to destroy this once great nation are reversible. For my children's sake.

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    About damn time. Sure, whine all you want about how crappy the plan is and make baseless pessimistic claims, but since I've never heard a conservative offer an alternative plan, I'm all for it.

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Toothpicvic View Post
    About damn time. Sure, whine all you want about how crappy the plan is and make baseless pessimistic claims, but since I've never heard a conservative offer an alternative plan, I'm all for it.
    Why? Republicans and conservatives have been completely shut out of the process, genius.


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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Toothpicvic View Post
    About damn time. Sure, whine all you want about how crappy the plan is and make baseless pessimistic claims, but since I've never heard a conservative offer an alternative plan, I'm all for it.
    Alternative plans have been offered. They were shot down by liberals. Add to that converatives have been shut out of the negotiations for this bill and what chance have they had to offer even more?
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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Toothpicvic View Post
    About damn time. Sure, whine all you want about how crappy the plan is and make baseless pessimistic claims, but since I've never heard a conservative offer an alternative plan, I'm all for it.
    Your not looking hard enough.

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