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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    The Republicans damaged us, we gave democrats a chance, and they finished us off.

    Yea, guess what? Im putting my money on any third party that actually has balls and stands up for something, because both parties arent deserving of power right now.
    What a third party that does not goose step to the liberals or conservatives. Some in this forum think that if you are a member of such a party, you are wisey washey (sic).

    I am with you, start a third party that is named "Common Sense."

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    I agree. The problem is we still have people that actually believe the Republicans are better than the Democrats. I would love to see a fiscally responsible third party that stayed out of social issues.
    AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Isn't it amazing how many people think the Socialist/Communist backed Obama Been Lying "I Don't Really Give a Damn About Your Health Kill Granny Plan" is justified because Bush made a deal with the Pharmaceutical companies.

    What they fail to mention is a worse more costly set of deals with Pharmaceutical companies, the Trail lawyers, Unions, certain States, along with bribes, threats and intimidation were all used to pass this Obamanation that is set to destroy the Nation as Obama planned from the start.

    This plan is Anti American and does not one damn thing it claims, just like Obama Been Lying.

    The left has been crying Conservatives hate this hate that with not one shred of evidence to back it up. Now with the way they have handled this from the start they are going to get what is turning out to be a self fulfilling prophecy, they will be very sorry for in the end. We still have semi free elections in places ACORN doesn't control and the Dims (no spell error) will pay a dear price.

    Now is the time to read the following the words of Thomas Jefferson.
    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    let the whining begin

    the republicans bet the house (and the senate) that they could defeat this bill and thereby undermine the administration of a strong, internationally respected president Who's that??? for whom they have no viable opposition in 2012

    the bill passed. they whine

    if the bill had included public option, they would have whined

    if the bill had included medicare buy in they would have whined

    if the bill would have included a trigger for the states they would have whined

    if the bill had expanded coverage to include all Americans they would have whined

    if the bill had been a single payer plan like those used by the other major industrialized nations they would have whined

    the republicans offered no cooperation in trying to fashion a bill that would have been beneficial for Americans; the republicans were more interested in using this issue as a partisan political wedge. they lost. and now they will whine. and so will their adherents, as we will soon see in this thread

    here is something to go with the whine. merry kwanzaa

    Yep, we will lose to the demo's. Good goin' you hold a majority in the house, senate, and the Presidency, and still managed to not be able to pass anything on time, without bribes to your corrupt Senators.....And still may not get anything to Obama's desk before the SoU speech in January....That's right....Gloat, but over what exactly?


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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    PS I still will never understand why the GOP did nothing about heathcare when they had all the power. Now they whine.
    They did try....Democrats always blocked them.
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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottD View Post
    This Healthcare Bill with make it so that Orphanages are burned down, it will make it so that all blood banks will be emptied for the Government to drink it all, this bill will make it so the government will kill your mother with an axe, in front of your own eyes, and then they will take your eyes out.

    Happy Holidays
    Scott, you forgot that our villages will be burnt down, the red surge will invade us from above, below, within, etc., and that our livestock will be abused or violated.

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    not whining, most of us are quite secure personally

    just observing, and holding folks accountable for their actions

    nothing wrong with that, i hope

    note not a word of defense of THIS bill in any of the posts above

    it's a VERY BAD bill

    it MANDATES individual's vie for themselves, some perverted view of universalism

    if FINES those that don't, criminalizes them, threatens them with jail

    it CUTS medicare and medicaid by HALF A T, all while EXPANDING the latter, the GHETTO of health care

    and in doing so imposes a FIFTH OF A T of unbacked burden on already bankrupt states

    the president says---hey, my bill is balanced, let CA pick up the tab

    (no wonder no one presses a keystroke in reid/pelosi/obama's defense)

    it depends for deficit neutrality upon a whole sea of changes that aint never gonna happen, and everyone knows it, all of us, all of them, all americans, including all seniors

    lobbyists: it's a total lay down before big insurance and phrma, this white house continues to CAVE to k street like no one ever before---TRILLIONS in happy handouts to the richest people in the world, the very men and women who screwed this thing up so bad in the first place

    with no accountability---where's the STIMULUS, where's the LENDING?

    insurance stocks hit a 52 week hi when reid announced his 60

    the bribes---if the bill were indeed any good (which even the bush bashers above seem tacitly to concede it's not), then why all the HUGE buyoffs for ben nelson, bill nelson, louisiana landrieu, bernie sanders, gatekeeper baucus, debbie stabenow, dead dodd?

    why do so many states want OUT?

    everyone also knows what's gonna happen to the DEFICIT when those HALF T cuts to m and m are inevitably deferred

    everyone knows the deadly damage to the DEBT done by the DOC FIX, another QUARTER T off budget

    this is why HU is saying what HE is saying

    ie, EVERYONE knows

    the class act---practically forces young invulnerables out of the exchange while attracting, like back-of-the-restaurant jobs in CA appeal to hard working family men in mexico, the more infirm

    the 10 years of taxes vs 6 of outlays---the only way baucus could arrive at "balance"

    the president's pretense of transparency---SHATTERED forever

    his pledge of post-partisanship---also in SHARDS

    meanwhile, independents incline away, progressives' hopes are popped by capitulation of the PO (elections in this country are won by enthusiasm), youth are gonna be grossed out when they learn what's in store, seniors snort, and the teabag party (which doesn't even exist) outpolls both partisans

    no, we're most of us too mature to whine

    we very fairly and rightly note our objections and opposition to this ugliest piece of legislation in american history which no one on the other side seems willing or able to defend

    congrats to my democrat comrades for your accomplishment

    live it

    love it

    you won
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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Now is the time to read the following the words of Thomas Jefferson.
    You are absolutely correct that it is time you read and understand these words, and not try to spin them as you are attempting.



    From the Declaration of Independence

    That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.
    Didn't this happen when McCain/Palin and the GOP Congresses were defeated in elections?

    will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes;
    Did GW and Cheney violate this rule of law by stepping all over the Constitution? I don't know? Some said it was alright to invade our privacy, torture inmates, or deny due process because they were scared into beleiving that big brother would protect your freedom my trampling on your rights.
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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    it's a VERY BAD bill
    Can you explain why or are you just parroting FOX NEWS?

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And lastly, any perversion done to this plan of the take over of 1/6th of the economy by Obama, is purely of the demos hand. Repubs were locked out. So own it man.


    j-mac
    Take over of 1/6 of the economy? You heard that on FOX NEWS. Right?

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