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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Who are we talking about here? If they can't afford it, there are exemptions.

    How many people are we talking about that can afford health insurance but refuse to buy it? Jerry Sienfeld -- Who are these people?

    And only a moron would believe someone is going to end up in jail over this. However, if they are really that stupid and selfish, then perhaps jail would do them some good...
    Stupid and selfish? Do them some good? How is it selfish to oppose something that is not only unconstitutional but also immoral? How is it stupid to use logic? Why would it do ANYONE any good to put supposed "stupid and selfish" people in jail?

    I have heard that of the 31 million without insurance about half of them can afford it.

    And the exemptions won't help everyone. People can be denied those exemptions by just being $1 over on their gross income.
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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yes, and having health insurance limits what others will have to pay for you when you mess up and need it. if you don't have it, others will have to pay for you. Health care isn't free.

    As for what passed, I believe it doesn't do enough. We needed a good public option for this to have any chance at real success. Because of the silliness this topic always elicit, this may be the best we can get for now. It will fail, and more will be needed. But a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.
    All the way to what? Total government takeover of all of the hospitals?? Because that is exactly what the left want, all of the Left.


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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Who are we talking about here? If they can't afford it, there are exemptions.

    How many people are we talking about that can afford health insurance but refuse to buy it? Jerry Sienfeld -- Who are these people?

    And only a moron would believe someone is going to end up in jail over this. However, if they are really that stupid and selfish, then perhaps jail would do them some good...
    People who don't want it, that's enough for me.

    Why is someone stupid and selfish for not wanting to buy health insurance?
    Maybe just on principle they disagree with being forced to do things.
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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Bassman View Post
    All the way to what? Total government takeover of all of the hospitals?? Because that is exactly what the left want, all of the Left.
    Nope. That's just paranoia making you a little silly. And what's with "The Left" stuff. Do you ever see people as individuals? I don't care what left or right want. I care about what I think is best. try convincing me something else is better if you can. If you can't, you might want to reconsider your position.

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yes, and having health insurance limits what others will have to pay for you when you mess up and need it. if you don't have it, others will have to pay for you. Health care isn't free.

    As for what passed, I believe it doesn't do enough. We needed a good public option for this to have any chance at real success. Because of the silliness this topic always elicit, this may be the best we can get for now. It will fail, and more will be needed. But a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.
    Of course it isn't but what about those who want to self insure?
    Why should they be forced to buy insurance?

    I hate to inform you but as it is now, no alterations can be made to the senate bill without a super majority vote by both the house and the senate and it has to be for recommendations made by the new health panel.
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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Same with all taxes and fines. But the offense one would go to jail for is not paying the tax/fine. Not for not having insurance. There is no jail penalty for not having insurance. You have to commit another offense in order to go to jail.

    And no, separating things that are separate is being factual.
    Why did they get the fine? Simple answer.
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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Nope. That's just paranoia making you a little silly. And what's with "The Left" stuff. Do you ever see people as individuals? I don't care what left or right want. I care about what I think is best. try convincing me something else is better if you can. If you can't, you might want to reconsider your position.
    Really?? And the "public option" will do what Liberals have wanted for a long time! Kill off the private sector insurance completely. And that is something I will not tolerate.


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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Of course it isn't but what about those who want to self insure?
    Why should they be forced to buy insurance?

    I hate to inform you but as it is now, no alterations can be made to the senate bill without a super majority vote by both the house and the senate and it has to be for recommendations made by the new health panel.
    There is another way. The court system.
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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Why did they get the fine? Simple answer.
    They get the tax for not having insurance.

    Now, do you want the entire answer, or just what you think is the trick part?

    They don't go to jail for not having insurance. Same with all taxes and fines. But the offense one would go to jail for is not paying the tax/fine. Not for not having insurance. There is no jail penalty for not having insurance. You have to commit another offense in order to go to jail.

    And no, separating things that are separate is being factual.

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    There is another way. The court system.
    Sorry but that isn't possible, as far as I have read, since military base closers operate on the same principle as this and it has been legal for over 100 years.

    Even though Congress does not have the power to give away their power they somehow have been able to do so with the courts approval.
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