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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The fine is totally based on the fact that you didn't buy insurance.

    Taxes are general payments to the government for non competitive goods and services.

    lets make this totally clear,

    Fines = punishment for specific things.

    Taxes = reoccuring payments for general government goods and services.
    The tax is; the jail time is not. The jail time is for not paying the tax, and/or the fine attached to that (you get fined first if you don't pay your tax).

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The tax is; the jail time is not. The jail time is for not paying the tax, and/or the fine attached to that (you get fined first if you don't pay your tax).
    So who has the moral authority to impose a fine on a person who does not have insurance?

    Can you justify sending someone to jail for not paying that fine?
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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The fine is paid in a tax. Read it.

    What? The House bill would require people to either buy insurance, or face a special 2.5 percent income tax. People who don't buy insurance AND refuse to pay the tax would face the standard punishment for knowingly evading taxes, which is listed in the Internal Revenue Code. By that logic, any change to the tax code could lead to criminal penalties.
    Let's do some simple math here. On 50 g's, you would have to pay in $1,250. You got that kinda money just laying around in this economy?
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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Let's do some simple math here. On 50 g's, you would have to pay in $1,250. You got that kinda money just laying around in this economy?
    Well, yeah.

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    So who has the moral authority to impose a fine on a person who does not have insurance?

    Can you justify sending someone to jail for not paying that fine?
    The same people who fined me $600 for not having auto insurance a few years ago.

    And they are being sent to jail for not having health insurance. Be accurate please.

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The same people who fined me $600 for not having auto insurance a few years ago.

    And they are being sent to jail for not having health insurance. Be accurate please.
    Auto insurance does not serve the same purpose as health insurance does.

    You can draw comparisons for the two but not in this instance because auto insurance not only covers you but the other person you may run into causing injuries and damage.

    Do you believe that the medical care bill that was passed was good?
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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    from your link:



    Internal revenue, fine on not paying a tax. This is existing law. Not the penalty for not having insurance, but for not paying the tax.
    In this case the two are linked. If you had not been "taxed"/fined then you would not have had to pay it. Being as you are being "taxed"/fined you do have to pay it. Or go to jail. The begining is just as relevent as the end. One leads to another. Trying to seperate the two is disingenous.
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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    So who has the moral authority to impose a fine on a person who does not have insurance?

    Can you justify sending someone to jail for not paying that fine?
    Who are we talking about here? If they can't afford it, there are exemptions.

    How many people are we talking about that can afford health insurance but refuse to buy it? Jerry Sienfeld -- Who are these people?

    And only a moron would believe someone is going to end up in jail over this. However, if they are really that stupid and selfish, then perhaps jail would do them some good...

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Auto insurance does not serve the same purpose as health insurance does.

    You can draw comparisons for the two but not in this instance because auto insurance not only covers you but the other person you may run into causing injuries and damage.

    Do you believe that the medical care bill that was passed was good?
    Yes, and having health insurance limits what others will have to pay for you when you mess up and need it. if you don't have it, others will have to pay for you. Health care isn't free.

    As for what passed, I believe it doesn't do enough. We needed a good public option for this to have any chance at real success. Because of the silliness this topic always elicit, this may be the best we can get for now. It will fail, and more will be needed. But a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.

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    Re: Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    In this case the two are linked. If you had not been "taxed"/fined then you would not have had to pay it. Being as you are being "taxed"/fined you do have to pay it. Or go to jail. The begining is just as relevent as the end. One leads to another. Trying to seperate the two is disingenous.
    Same with all taxes and fines. But the offense one would go to jail for is not paying the tax/fine. Not for not having insurance. There is no jail penalty for not having insurance. You have to commit another offense in order to go to jail.

    And no, separating things that are separate is being factual.

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