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    Re: 'Five taken hostage' in post office in Virginia, US

    "Three people left the Wytheville, Va. Post Office shortly after 11 p.m. ET. The gunman who had been holding them hostage came out of the building in his wheelchair shortly thereafter, without incident."



    Virginia post office hostage standoff ends, gunman identified and in custody




    "State police identified the suspect as Warren "Gator" Taylor of Sullivan County, Tenn. As he exited the post office, Taylor was met on the street by an unmanned tactical vehicle that examined him before officers approached."



    http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/230772


    "police hostage negotiator was reported to have been speaking to the man.

    Pete Rendina, spokesman for the US Postal Inspection Service, said the man, who was missing part of his leg, had made no demands other than a request for a pizza."



    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8429274.stm




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    Re: 'Five taken hostage' in post office in Virginia, US

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Sometimes, yes. Sometimes, no.
    Absolutely correct. In a confined space with someone who knows what they are doing a knife can be far more deadly. You don't need to reload a knife.
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    Re: 'Five taken hostage' in post office in Virginia, US

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Absolutely correct. In a confined space with someone who knows what they are doing a knife can be far more deadly. You don't need to reload a knife.
    There it is and it's been shown that with he right crowd, people are going to take down an attacker that has a knife.
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    Re: 'Five taken hostage' in post office in Virginia, US

    I'm going to post some links to some pictures of knife wounds. So heed the following warning...If a mod deems them inappropriate I do apologize and have no problem what so ever of you deleting this thread. The only reason that I am posting these links is to educate people that people with knives can be just as dangerous as someone with a gun given the right circumstances. Sometimes talking about something with out a reference leads to false ideologies. In this case it can even lead to a false sense of security.

    The following links contain pictures of knife wounds that are extremely graphic and is not suitible for children or to view at work.

    This first one is the only one that I have knowledge of. And only because I read an article about it. Unfortenately I could not find that article. It is a police officer that was trying to bring down someone that had a knife. The criminal was considered an expert knife fighter due to military training if I recall correctly.

    Police officer

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    Guts poking out

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    Re: 'Five taken hostage' in post office in Virginia, US

    oops...think I killed a thread?
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    Re: 'Five taken hostage' in post office in Virginia, US

    If people want to commit murder, they'll find a weapon. If guns are absent, they'll find something else. That fact aside, murderers who use guns are far more likely to succeed than if they use a knife or a blunt instrument. Same with suicides. This is fact.

    Bullets have way more shearing force than knives. A knife has to contend with bones, muscle tissue, and self-defense postures of the victim. A bullet can slice through all of those in an instant, and if the bullet fragments on impact it does even more damage.

    Guns vs. knives... there is no contest.

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    Re: 'Five taken hostage' in post office in Virginia, US

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
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    Americans sure are strange folk, the slightest upset and out come the guns.
    Probably just another postal worker who lost his mind during the holidays.

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    Re: 'Five taken hostage' in post office in Virginia, US

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I'm going to post some links to some pictures of knife wounds. So heed the following warning...If a mod deems them inappropriate I do apologize and have no problem what so ever of you deleting this thread. The only reason that I am posting these links is to educate people that people with knives can be just as dangerous as someone with a gun given the right circumstances. Sometimes talking about something with out a reference leads to false ideologies. In this case it can even lead to a false sense of security.

    The following links contain pictures of knife wounds that are extremely graphic and is not suitible for children or to view at work.

    This first one is the only one that I have knowledge of. And only because I read an article about it. Unfortenately I could not find that article. It is a police officer that was trying to bring down someone that had a knife. The criminal was considered an expert knife fighter due to military training if I recall correctly.

    Police officer

    Slit throat

    Guts poking out

    Guts out
    I am not ceertain about the rest; however the wound displayed under the "Police Officer" link is not that of a police officer. It is the end result of a prison shank attack.

    I believe those wounds yielded over two hundred stitches.

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    Re: 'Five taken hostage' in post office in Virginia, US

    Quote Originally Posted by ukangel View Post
    Its debateable that you cant do more damage with a gun than a knife. Imagine if the Columbine murderers had knives not guns might the result have been less bloodshed ?
    I personally am better with a gun than a knife, but don't let that fool you. A gunshot by a trained marksman is a clean wound, a knife is an elongated wound, and if it is a sharp/smooth blade you are lucky. The idea behind wounding in a combat sense is to make a "dirty" wound, that is, something harder to stitch up, harder to heal, thus more likely to result in a fatality, with a gun, I can hit center mass 5/10 times, but that is little comfort if I am attacking you with a knife, as I have to hack and stab at you repeatedly to affect the same outcome(death). I am not psychotic or otherwise intent on killing, however, please ask yourselves....if someone were, do you want a quick kill or a slow one.
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    Re: 'Five taken hostage' in post office in Virginia, US

    Quote Originally Posted by Frodly View Post
    You are aware of the amazing modern medical advancement known as antibiotics correct?
    Not all infections are easily curable with medicine, such as gangrene, resistant staph, other blood born agents, etc. And all of these are found on inanimate objects.


    Are you seriously of the belief that if you were in an confined space with a dozen or more people, and some one came in stabbing people, that you would not attempt to fight back?
    I just saw a story this year of a college kid getting decapitated on a college campus while the rest of her co-eds looked on in horror. This is a bad example.
    Of course you would, and since a knife is a close range weapon, a group of people would almost certainly be successful in fighting the person off.
    This assumes that the people in question have a sense of duty other than self, this isn't always the case, I personally would try to rally a defense around a group. But without someone there to do so......?
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