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    Re: 'Five taken hostage' in post office in Virginia, US

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    There may have been more bloodshed had they knives vice guns. At least the gun shots gave some kind of warning throughout the building. With a knife attack, no one would have known anything till it was too late.

    IMO, the only difference between a knife and a gun, is skill level. Guns require less skill. A well trained knifesman could probably do more damage in as much time as Average Joe with a gun.
    And an expert shooter can do more harm to a crowd with a gun then a knifesman with a knife. When all skill level is equal a gun is just a more powerful weapon. This is why we see soldiers fighting with guns and not swords.

    Of course that isn't a reason for people to not be able to carry guns. You could also make the argument that if half the people in that post office were carrying a gun the hostage situation would most likely have ended quickly (though most likely violently).

    In a world where majority of people carry guns there will be more gun deaths in violent situations though I would assume less violent situations overall would occur.
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    Re: 'Five taken hostage' in post office in Virginia, US

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    And an expert shooter can do more harm to a crowd with a gun then a knifesman with a knife. When all skill level is equal a gun is just a more powerful weapon. This is why we see soldiers fighting with guns and not swords.

    Of course that isn't a reason for people to not be able to carry guns. You could also make the argument that if half the people in that post office were carrying a gun the hostage situation would most likely have ended quickly (though most likely violently).

    In a world where majority of people carry guns there will be more gun deaths in violent situations though I would assume less violent situations overall would occur.

    And, everyone for hundreds of yards around is going to know that someone is shooting a gun, giving them plenty of warning so as to take cover, so there is no stealth. It's six of one and a half dozen of the other.

    This is why we see soldiers fighting with guns and not swords.
    It takes less skill and training time to make a good rifleman than it does to make a good swordsman.
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    Re: 'Five taken hostage' in post office in Virginia, US

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There may have been more bloodshed had they knives vice guns. At least the gun shots gave some kind of warning throughout the building. With a knife attack, no one would have known anything till it was too late.

    IMO, the only difference between a knife and a gun, is skill level. Guns require less skill. A well trained knifesman could probably do more damage in as much time as Average Joe with a gun.


    This may be the stupidest thing I have ever read. I support gun rights, but I do not try to lie and misrepresent facts to support my opinion. Guns are exponentially more potent at killing people than knives. If a person comes into a classroom of 25 people with a knife, I guarantee that the combination of those people in the classroom will take them down. Knives are not even close to being as deadly as guns, any argument to the contrary is just stupid.
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    Re: 'Five taken hostage' in post office in Virginia, US

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And, everyone for hundreds of yards around is going to know that someone is shooting a gun, giving them plenty of warning so as to take cover, so there is no stealth. It's six of one and a half dozen of the other.
    You don't need stealth with a gun. You point and shoot and can take out a number of people before anyone knows what going on and then have the ability to kill anyone in eye sight, no matter the distance and in some cases the barriers between.

    It requires more skill and cunning for the knifeman's part to just do a percentage of the same damage a gunman can do.


    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It takes less skill and training time to make a good rifleman than it does to make a good swordsman.
    Of course. A good swordsman is also only effective in a limited amount of scenarios. Close combat and highly dense structural areas mostly.
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    Re: 'Five taken hostage' in post office in Virginia, US

    Quote Originally Posted by Frodly View Post
    This may be the stupidest thing I have ever read. I support gun rights, but I do not try to lie and misrepresent facts to support my opinion. Guns are exponentially more potent at killing people than knives. If a person comes into a classroom of 25 people with a knife, I guarantee that the combination of those people in the classroom will take them down. Knives are not even close to being as deadly as guns, any argument to the contrary is just stupid.
    I believe I've already said it's my opinion and that it's depndent on the situation and I enver claimed that knives were more lethal than a firearm. I left room for doubt, both ways, so before you go off the deep end, try reading and comprehending what I wrote.

    If a person comes into a classroom of 25 people with a knife, I guarantee that the combination of those people in the classroom will take them down.
    People aren't anymore willing to run into a knife than they are a firearm, so you can't guarantee that that would happen. You surely can't guarantee that they would take down the knifesman before he knifed 12 of those people.
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    Re: 'Five taken hostage' in post office in Virginia, US

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    You don't need stealth with a gun. You point and shoot and can take out a number of people before anyone knows what going on and then have the ability to kill anyone in eye sight, no matter the distance and in some cases the barriers between.
    Well, you don't exactly point and shoot. Ole boy at Ft. Hood fired a hundred rounds and only scored 13 kills.

    It requires more skill and cunning for the knifeman's part to just do a percentage of the same damage a gunman can do.
    That's what I've already pointed out. The biggest difference between a gun and a knife is the skill level needed to do the same amount of damage.


    To say that there's no way that a person skilled in knife fighting can't do as much damage as a gunman is erroneous.
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    Re: 'Five taken hostage' in post office in Virginia, US

    apdst, please do gun rights advocates a favor and don't help us. It's embarrassing and sad how bad you are making us look right now.
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    Re: 'Five taken hostage' in post office in Virginia, US

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    apdst, please do gun rights advocates a favor and don't help us. It's embarrassing and sad how bad you are making us look right now.
    What were you saying in another thread about insults? Hmmm?
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    Re: 'Five taken hostage' in post office in Virginia, US

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    People aren't anymore willing to run into a knife than they are a firearm
    There are.....2 dozen knives in my kitchen. One gun in the basement. Yeah. No I think you're WAY more likely to run into a knife than you are to run into a gun.
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    Re: 'Five taken hostage' in post office in Virginia, US

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