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Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

seven---that's SEVEN---democrat INCUMBENTS, SENATORS all, head into 2010 TRAILING in the polls, versus challengers few have heard of, by between 5 and 22 points

dorgan, lincoln, reid, dodd, specter, biden, bennett

and that's only concurrent with so much TALK ABOUT this pig of a bill

ie, BEFORE it's passage

congrats, president obama

live it, love it

RealClearPolitics - Latest Election Polls
 
Boo Radley said:
I've explained this a few times. The opposition has made it one ugly process and democrats haven't helped much.

However, when ever polls ask specific questions, like do you want the public option, the answer has been yes for a majority. When asked do you want to do away with pre-existing conditions, they want that. On the details, for the most part, the people are much closer to Obama's view. So, a government of the people goes for what they want, even if it looks like they don't with misleading polls. And if they get it wrong, we vote them out.
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Do you know whats disingenous about this post? The fact that you are trying to single out specifics in the bill that you KNOW most people want. Of COURSE people want to do away with pre-existing conditions crap that most insurance companies pull. But that is only part of what is in the bill. A very small part at that. Fact is that the majority of people do not want this health care bill. Yes they want health care reform. No they do not want much of what is in this bill. Sure they may agree with some of the things. That does not mean that they agree with the majority of it. To suggest otherwise is disingenous.

The other fact is that the Democrats are not listening to the majority of people. What's ironic in the extreme here is that Republicans are being called the "party of no" by Democrats when it appears that the Republicans are actually listening to the people..and therefore are voting against the HCB which the majority of people do not want.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Do you know whats disingenous about this post? The fact that you are trying to single out specifics in the bill that you KNOW most people want. Of COURSE people want to do away with pre-existing conditions crap that most insurance companies pull. But that is only part of what is in the bill. A very small part at that. Fact is that the majority of people do not want this health care bill. Yes they want health care reform. No they do not want much of what is in this bill. Sure they may agree with some of the things. That does not mean that they agree with the majority of it. To suggest otherwise is disingenous.

The other fact is that the Democrats are not listening to the majority of people. What's ironic in the extreme here is that Republicans are being called the "party of no" by Democrats when it appears that the Republicans are actually listening to the people..and therefore are voting against the HCB which the majority of people do not want.
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Well, they want the things people like you complain about. So, what specifically don't they want? Please, be specific.

And no, republicans are not listening, but instead adding to the confusion by giving some credence to death panel and rationing and socialism (one of the reason Grassley and I have been emailing each other. His dishonesty changes my vote for him).
 
"people like you..."

LOL!

this is the level of argument?

if obama wanted pre-existing conditions he coulda had it like a finger snap with unanimous bipartisan support

get real
 
Boo Radley said:
Well, they want the things people like you complain about. So, what specifically don't they want? Please, be specific.

And no, republicans are not listening, but instead adding to the confusion by giving some credence to death panel and rationing and socialism (one of the reason Grassley and I have been emailing each other. His dishonesty changes my vote for him).
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Like me? Complain about? Where did I EVER complain about that particular aspect of the bill?

As for what they specifically don't want? Sorry but I'm not going to open myself up to the usual explanation of "it's based on a lie blah blah blah". Do your own homework. As your post is obviously already doing.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Like me? Complain about? Where did I EVER complain about that particular aspect of the bill?

As for what they specifically don't want? Sorry but I'm not going to open myself up to the usual explanation of "it's based on a lie blah blah blah". Do your own homework. As your post is obviously already doing.
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I have done my homework, and it has been the lying that has tarred the effort (and that some rightly believe it doesn't go far enough). You know that, which is why you avoid. ;)
 
avoid

LOL!

half a T cuts to m and m

double counting a quarter T

10 years of taxes, 6 of benefits

mandates on individuals, fines, jail

unbearable burdens on bankrupt states

the class act

the doc fix

the bribes

the lobbyists

the secrecy

etc

"avoid"

LOL!

100 posts on death panels (LOL!) and pre existing conditions

nary a link

opinions, philosophies, personal proclivities...

so girly, so mirror oriented

the BILL is a PIG

deal with it
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Wrong Bucko. Lots of special interest groups that have profits to lose from reform has a lot to do with the opposition. They have the funding and backing (congress critters getting money) for lots of misinformation which gets desseminated to the public, which some sadly are very easy to confuse due to laziness, partisanship, and just plain uninformed.



What a panty load. :lol:
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"if we can but prevent the government from wasting the labours of the people, under the pretence of taking care of them, they must become happy." - Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Cooper, 29 November 1802
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Your lot usually considers the Founders to be idiots.http://wiki.monticello.org/mediawiki/index.php/Wasting_the_labours_of_the_people_(Quotation)#_note-0
 
The Prof said:
avoid

LOL!

half a T cuts to m and m

double counting a quarter T

10 years of taxes, 6 of benefits

mandates on individuals, fines, jail

unbearable burdens on bankrupt states

the class act

the doc fix

the bribes

the lobbyists

the secrecy

etc

"avoid"

LOL!

100 posts on death panels (LOL!) and pre existing conditions

nary a link

opinions, philosophies, personal proclivities...

so girly, so mirror oriented

the BILL is a PIG

deal with it
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While it's hard to read your stuttering style, most of what you have up there is nonsense. And you can't link what isn't there. As there is no death panel, you can't link it. I agree.
 
The rationing has already started at the state level.
First hand knowledge through foster children we keep.

V.A. care? A joke.
They send a letter with an appointment time to call and make an appointment.
The only way a vet in this area can be seen within three months is VIA the ER, and this is what they say is running up the costs all across the country.
Oh yes they want this for the entire nation.
 
JustGinger said:
The rationing has already started at the state level.
First hand knowledge through foster children we keep.

V.A. care? A joke.
They send a letter with an appointment time to call and make an appointment.
The only way a vet in this area can be seen within three months is VIA the ER, and this is what they say is running up the costs all across the country.
Oh yes they want this for the entire nation.
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Yes, VA care has some serious problems. Wasn't the latest scandal when Bush privatized a VA hospital? We should check on that.

As for rationing, what are you calling rationing? How is it different from what insurance companies do?
 
ask the VA
 
The Prof said:
ask the VA
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About what?

You reminded me of this exchange:

STEWART: So you believe no public option, so even though that's good enough for the military, not good enough for the people of America.

KRISTOL: Well, the military has a different health system than the rest of Americans.

STEWART: It's a public system, no?

KRISTOL: Yeah, they don't have an option, they're all in military health care.

STEWART: Why don't we go with that?

KRISTOL: I don't know. Is military health care really what you -- first of all, it's expensive. I think they deserve it, the military--

STEWART: But the American public do not.

KRISTOL: No. The American public do not deserve the same quality health care as our soldiers fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan deserve, and they need all kinds of things that the rest of us don't need.

STEWART: Well, no, they can have that level of care, but are you saying that the American public shouldn't have access to the same quality health care that we give to our better citizens?

KRISTOL: Yes. To our soldiers? Absolutely. The American public--

STEWART: Really?

KRISTOL: I think that if you become a soldier, you deserve--

[crosstalk]

KRISTOL: One of the ways we make it up to the soldiers, since they're risking their lives, we give them first-class health care. The rest of us can go out and buy insurance--

STEWART: So you said that the public--

[crosstalk]

STEWART: Get this on the record. Bill Kristol said that the government can run a "first class health care system." And a government-run health care system is better than the private health care system.

KRISTOL: I don't know if it's better.

STEWART: You just said that.

KRISTOL: I don't know if it's better.

STEWART: You said it was better! You said it's the best. It's a little more expensive...

KRISTOL: The military needs different kinds of health care...

STEWART: I just want to get this down: "The government runs the best health care."

Bill Kristol Admits Public Health Care Sometimes Better On 'Daily Show' (VIDEO)


However, nothing proposed is anything like the VA.
 
bill kristol?

LOL!

who gives a darn about him?

kristol talking in general about public health care?

that's a link?

LOL!

STILL not a keystroke in defense of THIS BILL

no surprise

just a buncha hot air about philosophies

again, how effeminate
 
The Prof said:
bill kristol?

LOL!

who gives a darn about him?

kristol talking in general about public health care?

that's a link?

LOL!

STILL not a keystroke in defense of THIS BILL

no surprise

just a buncha hot air about philosophies

again, how effeminate
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You still have offered any of substance on this bill yet. Once you do, we can move to that. ;)
 
half a T cuts to m and m:

Senate votes down GOP plan to strip Medicare cuts from health-care bill - washingtonpost.com

the doc fix:

House passes Medicare 'doc fix,' 243-183 - TheHill.com

200B of unfunded mandates on states:

Governors balk over what healthcare bill will cost states - The Boston Globe

double counting a quarter T:

Budget Office Rebuts Democratic Claims on Medicare (Update1) - Bloomberg.com

yup, opponents of THIS BILL own the links

while proponents, for very strange reasons, pull petals off a daisy, playing, "it's a tax, it's not a tax"

what about the bribe to ben nelson?

do you need a link to KNOW about that, too?

LOL!
 
The Prof said:
Senate votes down GOP plan to strip Medicare cuts from health-care bill - washingtonpost.com
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I note ARRAP agrees with the administration:

Democrats, backed by the AARP and other major organizations representing seniors, argued that the cuts would extend the life of Medicare by several years without reducing guaranteed benefits or increasing co-payments.

Senate votes down GOP plan to strip Medicare cuts from health-care bill - washingtonpost.com
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the doc fix:

House passes Medicare 'doc fix,' 243-183 - TheHill.com
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December 20, 2009

Senator Ben Nelson announced he was satisfied with a proposed change to the health care reform bill in the Senate which will prevent government supported health plans from paying for abortions using the government’s monies. Participants receiving subsidies will have to pay an addition amount to include abortion coverage.

Health Care Reform: Ben Nelson Satisfied, Doc Fix Dropped from Senate Bill added to Defense Authorization Bill - Policy and Medicine



200B of unfunded mandates on states:

Governors balk over what healthcare bill will cost states - The Boston Globe
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This a worry in July and not a link to it having materialized. Got any update?

double counting a quarter T:

Budget Office Rebuts Democratic Claims on Medicare (Update1) - Bloomberg.com
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Yes, this is a concern, the only real one I see so far.
 
Sorry, was getting dinner started etc.

My husband is not active military and does not have the same health care as the military. He is an aging veteran that goes through the VA NOT TriCare.

Huge difference.

One of my foster children (now adopted) Has brain tumors (they have quit counting). One on an optic nerve and one on the brain stem causing swelling on the brain stem. Those two need to be monitored via MRI at least once a year. Or if she shows signs or symptoms to cause the DR. to think they might be growing.

I do not like her to have them because she has to go under full sedation and that is always dangerous to one so small, but I also do not want to lose her.
So every year it is an extreme battle to get her MRI approved, had to involve other departments this time so it made her yearly MRI 18 months. This is rationing.
 
Boo Radley said:
I note ARRAP agrees with the administration
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i don't care what aarp says, and i have no interest in endless, mindless back and forth

THERE ARE HALF A T CUTS TO M AND M IN THIS BILL

December 20, 2009

Senator Ben Nelson announced he was satisfied with a proposed change to the health care reform bill in the Senate which will prevent government supported health plans from paying for abortions using the government’s monies. Participants receiving subsidies will have to pay an addition amount to include abortion coverage.
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ben nelson?

LOL!

you quote for me not-applicable nelson?

on the topic of ABORTION?

LOL!

where the heck did that come from?

ben nelson? on abortion?

wow

fact is, A QUARTER T DOC FIX THAT IS OFF BUDGET, ACCOUNTED AGAINST THE GENERAL FUND, IE, THE DEFICIT, PASSED THE HOUSE

This a worry in July and not a link to it having materialized. Got any update?
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there's a story on it YESTERDAY on one of THIS FORUM's pages

please...

THE BILL PUTS SOME 200B OF UNFUNDED MANDATES ON THE STATES IN THE FORM OF EXPANDED MEDICAID

it's as commonly known as ben's bribe

(do us all a favor and BUY a tv)

Yes, this is a concern, the only real one I see so far.
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you said the exact opposite two days ago about this DOUBLE COUNTING of a QUARTER T, you said then it was "really a small thing in the overall scheme of things"

please learn more about what's actually in THIS BILL before you kneejerk another mindless comeback

and please don't lump all your opponents together as a bunch of glenn becks

that would be bigoted

and the height of presumption

your arguments are really more with the post, the hill, the globe and ap than with me
 
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