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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    So, it wasn't "lack of health insurance coverage" that was killing them huh? Imagine that, it was an actual medical emergency, yet another thing the pro-UHC crowd can't differentiate.
    I'll even give you one better. For the ones that were able to recover, insurance or lack thereof also had nothing to do with it.
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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    So, it wasn't "lack of health insurance coverage" that was killing them huh? Imagine that, it was an actual medical emergency, yet another thing the pro-UHC crowd can't differentiate.
    The argument(and whether it is true or not I do not know) is that those without health coverage cannot get preventative care that those with health coverage can get. I believe the number who die is exaggerated(I seem to remember factcheck covered that claim), but that it is a problem. Whether that is reason enough to support the congressional bills is a matter for people to decide for themselves. Let's not exaggerate what is being said, or make obviously misleading statements.
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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The argument(and whether it is true or not I do not know) is that those without health coverage cannot get preventative care that those with health coverage can get. I believe the number who die is exaggerated(I seem to remember factcheck covered that claim), but that it is a problem. Whether that is reason enough to support the congressional bills is a matter for people to decide for themselves. Let's not exaggerate what is being said, or make obviously misleading statements.
    If the government simply wanted to provide some kind of public option for preventative care, I don't think too many people would have minded. But the health"care" bills being bandied about DC have nothing to do with that.
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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    If the government simply wanted to provide some kind of public option for preventative care, I don't think too many people would have minded. But the health"care" bills being bandied about DC have nothing to do with that.
    That is not the point I am arguing. I am arguing that the numbers claimed about people dying due to lack heath care coverage is not due to lack of catastrophic care, but preventative care.
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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That is not the point I am arguing. I am arguing that the numbers claimed about people dying due to lack heath care coverage is not due to lack of catastrophic care, but preventative care.
    The whole healthcare debate has centered on health insurance access or lack thereof. Its a valid point to make, whether you are arguing it or not. In fact, it seems my point would address the point you are trying to argue by showing that there could be a solution, if Congress went about it right.
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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That is not the point I am arguing. I am arguing that the numbers claimed about people dying due to lack heath care coverage is not due to lack of catastrophic care, but preventative care.
    And I guarantee that the argument is bull****, in Louisiana there is a charity hospital system, it reduces costs for those who can pay something and provides care for those who cannot pay, outside of that, plenty of charities exist to help the poor and uninsured, I don't need a federal government to act like a charity, at my expense, and involuntarily. Besides, preventative care is suspiciously absent in many UHC systems by default, in other words, you might get the procedure, but months after it would be medically beneficial.

    Again, every SINGLE senator and congressman that votes for this turd belongs in prison, and I seriously hope they are sent there in '10.
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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The argument(and whether it is true or not I do not know) is that those without health coverage cannot get preventative care that those with health coverage can get. I believe the number who die is exaggerated(I seem to remember factcheck covered that claim), but that it is a problem. Whether that is reason enough to support the congressional bills is a matter for people to decide for themselves. Let's not exaggerate what is being said, or make obviously misleading statements.
    While we're at it, let's pushe Universal Car Care from the Government too, because many people's cars, especially those whom depend on their car most, go without this care and eventually it will cost them much more down the road, and unlike medical care, when your car breaks, there's no law requiring a mechanic to fix it.

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    I think I'll write a children's book: "How the Democrats stole Christmas" it'll entail the very Grinch like practices of raising taxes for "carbon sins"(Cap and Tax), their flawed idea of great health care("health reform"), their typical spread the wealth taxes, both of their bailout bills AND the talks of the third one. But there is no happy ending in this one, "sorry little Billy, Santa was taxed out of his ability to get you a firetruck, and little susie, you wanted a dolly, tough break, mommy and daddy had to pay for your neighbors health care because the Democrats said so, too bad, but hey, it's better you learn that life aint fair early, cause you're gonna be paying for these incompetant decisions for years to come."
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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    The whole healthcare debate has centered on health insurance access or lack thereof. Its a valid point to make, whether you are arguing it or not. In fact, it seems my point would address the point you are trying to argue by showing that there could be a solution, if Congress went about it right.
    Right, and all that is fine. But to say people are not dying because of lack of health insurance because they can get catastrophic health care is false. That is the whole, and the entirety of my argument. This whole debate has been characterized by lies and misleading statements by people on both sides, and sometimes it is important to point these out. Both the claims of 10's of thousands dead due to lack of health coverage, and the claim that no one is dying because there is catastrophic care for any one who wants it are misleading and false.
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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Right, and all that is fine. But to say people are not dying because of lack of health insurance because they can get catastrophic health care is false. That is the whole, and the entirety of my argument. This whole debate has been characterized by lies and misleading statements by people on both sides, and sometimes it is important to point these out. Both the claims of 10's of thousands dead due to lack of health coverage, and the claim that no one is dying because there is catastrophic care for any one who wants it are misleading and false.
    You're right about the lies and misleading info, however, the lies on the "Anti-UHC" side of the debate will cost me less
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