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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Patently false througout. Most socialised medicine(single payor) systems minus a few such as Cuba and probably China have at least a few private coverages, the dirty little secret though is that you still have to fund the public option even when you have private coverage. The U.K., France, Canada, etc. are all single payor, and yet they have private insurers as well, so I guess you can drop this little Charade you have going on now right? Cause I'm about done with this little pro-Democrat game you have going on here.
    Very few. Instead they have most paid for by the government. Nothing of that nature was proposed.

    BTW, I'm not pro democrat. Pro health care reform to be sure. But not pro democrat. Until now, I've been a support of Chuck Grassly, a republican. In the past, I have voted for Reagan and Dole. I admit Bush made me a tad crazy with is insane running of the country, but I'm hardly pro democrat. Just relieved Bush is no longer president.

    Seriously, I have given you the facts, And if you are unwilling to acknowledge them, not my problem. Maybe a less partisan individual can still be helped.
    I know you think you have. But you haven't. I'm sorry that is the case. You provide speculation; you misuse quotes out context. You avoid the actual bill and focus on what you think it really means. And prove yourself more partisan than most in doing so.

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Very few. Instead they have most paid for by the government. Nothing of that nature was proposed.
    Bull****.

    BTW, I'm not pro democrat. Pro health care reform to be sure. But not pro democrat. Until now, I've been a support of Chuck Grassly, a republican. In the past, I have voted for Reagan and Dole. I admit Bush made me a tad crazy with is insane running of the country, but I'm hardly pro democrat. Just relieved Bush is no longer president.
    Right, I don't believe it for a second, the only supporters of this that I have run across, heard from, or seen are Democrat only voters, try again.



    I know you think you have. But you haven't. I'm sorry that is the case. You provide speculation; you misuse quotes out context. You avoid the actual bill and focus on what you think it really means. And prove yourself more partisan than most in doing so.
    Alright, I've got better things to do with my time than argue with a true partisan, the information is very public and all over the internet and news sources, if you care look it up for yourself. I am satisfied that you lost, you have been given plenty of audio/visual evidence, there is plenty of information out there, an actual coverage expert(me) has explained it, and you still hold onto your misgivings. I am done, have fun with your little worldview.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Bull****.
    Nope. Nothing like there system was proposed. However, the french model does seem closer, and not a bad one. But it isn't single payer unless there is a single payer.

    Right, I don't believe it for a second, the only supporters of this that I have run across, heard from, or seen are Democrat only voters, try again.
    Belief isn't required. Facts are facts regardless of what you believe.



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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Belief isn't required. Facts are facts regardless of what you believe.


    Bring facts or else be silent, you haven't presented a single fact, just rhetorical spin. I have presented facts, but hey, keep your head in the sand if you want.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    if you poll americans whether they want a public option, of course they answer affirmatively

    one would have to be beyond naive not to anticipate such

    however, were you to query, do you want a po if it means half a T cuts to m and m?

    or, do you prefer a po at the price of 10 years of taxes vs 6 of benefits?

    you'd get entirely different results

    more realistic results

    THIS BILL, which still none defend, despite all their airy considerations, polls in the 30's

    and there have been a lot of polls

    RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Obama and Democrats' Health Care Plan

    why do the bills' opponents own the links?

    are the libs lazy?

    the reason americans, led by seniors, overwhelmingly and hotly hate THIS BILL is not cuzza death panels or single payer

    the animus derives instead from the HUGE cuts to m and m, while massively expanding both bankrupt systems which so many of our parents have come so intrinsically to depend upon

    opposition arises from the mandate on individuals to buy up for themselves, with fines for those who refuse to conform, followed by jail for those who refuse to conform

    and a dozen other poison provisions in this pig

    it is what it is

    women and children can dispute endlessly their ideals and dreams

    but here on earth, late december, 2009, it is what it is

    a profoundly unpopular piece of legislation

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Cost is a concern, but it isn't about whether they want it or not. The fact is they want it. The job once we accept that is to find out how to pay for it.

    It would help if they knew how much they pay now. The cost isn't as different as many think.

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Bring facts or else be silent, you haven't presented a single fact, just rhetorical spin. I have presented facts, but hey, keep your head in the sand if you want.
    I have. What do you want facts on? I did show you what was in the bill concerning the penalty for not having insurance. It was factual. Just tell me what you want to see.

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    We're talking about public perception j. You're being kind of misleading here with this comment. It was the death panel, rationing, and socialism type misinformation that clouded everything
    the arrogance of presumption

    he who knows least about what's actually in this bill and, despite 100's of posts has provided zero links, here accuses those who disagree with his airy platitudes of being "clouded" by the likes of mrs alaska

    LOL!

    half a T cuts to m and m

    10 years of taxes, 6 of benefits

    the class act

    the reliance upon chimerical cuts to achieve balance

    etc

    etc

    hardly clouds, my plato-like friend

    no, the double counting of a quarter T was all too real

    as hard and real as the secret deal with phrma

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Cost is a concern, but it isn't about whether they want it or not. The fact is they want it. The job once we accept that is to find out how to pay for it.

    It would help if they knew how much they pay now. The cost isn't as different as many think.
    you don't know what you're talking about

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    you don't know what you're talking about
    Yep. I think so.

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