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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    True, Canada is trying to semi-privatize their system currently because of overburdensome cost, France is having major budgetary problems with their health system, Cuba has a two tier system(those with power get great care, everyone else gets sub-par care), England has well documented care gaps, etc. etc.
    You do realize no such program has as much as been proposed here? This to is another misdirection so as to not address what was actually proposed.

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

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    You do realize no such program has as much as been proposed here?
    Yes it has, it's called "single Payor", "nationalized Healthcare", "Universal healthcare", "medical device tax" and any other euphamism for taxpayor subsidized healthcare. This bill started as exactly a combination of the multiple UHC sytems worldwide and has devolved into this mess.
    This to is another misdirection so as to not address what was actually proposed.
    It isn't misdirection on my part, this bill is basically the result of the lack of our congress to get exactly what they want, however, the seeds are being planted for exactly the kinds of "single payor" systems that do not work. Again, I am a Life/Health insurance agent and have been keeping up with this for many years.
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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Yes it has, it's called "single Payor", "nationalized Healthcare", "Universal healthcare", "medical device tax" and any other euphamism for taxpayor subsidized healthcare. This bill started as exactly a combination of the multiple UHC sytems worldwide and has devolved into this mess. It isn't misdirection on my part, this bill is basically the result of the lack of our congress to get exactly what they want, however, the seeds are being planted for exactly the kinds of "single payor" systems that do not work. Again, I am a Life/Health insurance agent and have been keeping up with this for many years.
    No single payer nationalize universal care system has been proposed in the US. There never was one proposed. Again, you have your facts wrong.

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

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    No single payer nationalize universal care system has been proposed in the US. There never was one proposed. Again, you have your facts wrong.
    The **** it hasn't!
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__V8cLkMctM"]YouTube- Universal Health Care Scam, Congressman's aid admits US Health System is "good" (Part 1 of 6.)[/ame] [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm6zze1pWyM"]YouTube- John Edwards - "Health Care" Television Ad - Iowa[/ame]

    And what do you think HillaryCare was HMMMM?
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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Show me something before congress. That's what you need to form an effective rebuttal. After all, that's what a proposal is.

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Show me something before congress. That's what you need to form an effective rebuttal. After all, that's what a proposal is.
    What do you think this bill started as? Face it, this is what is currently being proposed. You are either being dishonest with yourself or the rest of us, I've been watching you play the semantics game with fine v. tax and what this bill does, I've been watching you deny the VERY things that these democrats are telling you they want to implement in their own words, coming from their own mouths, and you want to say, "yeah but it's not in the bill", well, yes, in an indirect way it IS, all they have to do, like Obama said, is wait a decade or so for the damage to take effect, so that they can take the rest of the control from the private sector. You need to be honest here, either with yourself or with us, cause you aren't even close to a valid rebuttle here and frankly, it's irritating me.
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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    What do you think this bill started as? Face it, this is what is currently being proposed. You are either being dishonest with yourself or the rest of us, I've been watching you play the semantics game with fine v. tax and what this bill does, I've been watching you deny the VERY things that these democrats are telling you they want to implement in their own words, coming from their own mouths, and you want to say, "yeah but it's not in the bill", well, yes, in an indirect way it IS, all they have to do, like Obama said, is wait a decade or so for the damage to take effect, so that they can take the rest of the control from the private sector. You need to be honest here, either with yourself or with us, cause you aren't even close to a valid rebuttle here and frankly, it's irritating me.
    There was never a single payer proposal in any of the bills. You see, these are what facts are. When you have to read in and create out of whole cloth something not there, well, it is you who are leaving the facts.

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

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    There was never a single payer proposal in any of the bills. You see, these are what facts are.
    The public option is a "single payor" system, even "UHC" countries have private options. The goal is to corner the market with the public option, BHO said it in his own words, that they took the public option out of the bill for now does NOT invalidate the FACT that it was proposed, so stop this little game, the FACT is that "single payor" was proposed. Even worse, to insure it's success, the fine for not having insurance was in fact proposed.
    When you have to read in and create out of whole cloth something not there, well, it is you who are leaving the facts.
    No, semantics games trying to spin this are the perfect example of that, to this point, you are the one doing that. This is an attempt at "UHC" and your twisting is not appreciated.
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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

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    The public option is a "single payor" system, even "UHC" countries have private options. The goal is to corner the market with the public option, BHO said it in his own words, that they took the public option out of the bill for now does NOT invalidate the FACT that it was proposed, so stop this little game, the FACT is that "single payor" was proposed. Even worse, to insure it's success, the fine for not having insurance was in fact proposed. No, semantics games trying to spin this are the perfect example of that, to this point, you are the one doing that. This is an attempt at "UHC" and your twisting is not appreciated.
    No, the public option is not a single payer. A single payer has only ONE payer. Nothing eliminated other payers. Nor did anyone argue to eliminate them.

    And actually, you're the pot talking speaking. You're the one leaving the facts to "read in," spin, and make out of whole cloth what isn't there.

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post

    No, the public option is not a single payer. A single payer has only ONE payer. Nothing eliminated other payers. Nor did anyone argue to eliminate them.
    Patently false througout. Most socialised medicine(single payor) systems minus a few such as Cuba and probably China have at least a few private coverages, the dirty little secret though is that you still have to fund the public option even when you have private coverage. The U.K., France, Canada, etc. are all single payor, and yet they have private insurers as well, so I guess you can drop this little Charade you have going on now right? Cause I'm about done with this little pro-Democrat game you have going on here.

    And actually, you're the pot talking speaking. You're the one leaving the facts to "read in," spin, and make out of whole cloth what isn't there.
    Seriously, I have given you the facts, And if you are unwilling to acknowledge them, not my problem. Maybe a less partisan individual can still be helped.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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