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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I never claimed that, you asked "What compliance is impossible?"

    I responded with a fictional situation of impossible compliance.
    I don't want a fictional example that doesn't compare. I want to know exactly what is impossible to comply with that is actually being proposed.

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I don't want a fictional example that doesn't compare. I want to know exactly what is impossible to comply with that is actually being proposed.
    Nothing, which is why it is not a fine and a tax.
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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Nothing, which is why it is not a fine and a tax.
    I wish that made sense to me. The fine as proposed is a tax. I can't change that basic fact.

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I wish that made sense to me. The fine as proposed is a tax. I can't change that basic fact.
    Your using circular logic and I have already shown that a fine can only be a tax when it is impossible to comply with.

    A fine is a penalty for non compliance, a tax is for general government revenue which this is not.

    Why is it a tax?
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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Your using circular logic and I have already shown that a fine can only be a tax when it is impossible to comply with.

    A fine is a penalty for non compliance, a tax is for general government revenue which this is not.
    No, you have not show that. I have no idea why you think you have. I understand definitions, and don't dispute those definitions, but the fact remains, what is proposed is a 2.5% tax on those who don't comply. So, you "reasoning" aside, the fact is still the fact.

    And I see nothing that can't be complied with, and you have not presented anything real that is proposed that can't be.

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, you have not show that. I have no idea why you think you have. I understand definitions, and don't dispute those definitions, but the fact remains, what is proposed is a 2.5% tax on those who don't comply. So, you "reasoning" aside, the fact is still the fact.

    And I see nothing that can't be complied with, and you have not presented anything real that is proposed that can't be.
    Fact is that the politicians are calling it a tax. That is a lie. As we have been trying to show you. It is a fine. You can call a duck a swan but that doesn't mean that the duck IS a swan.
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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, you have not show that. I have no idea why you think you have. I understand definitions, and don't dispute those definitions, but the fact remains, what is proposed is a 2.5% tax on those who don't comply. So, you "reasoning" aside, the fact is still the fact.
    Which is a fine and not a tax.

    This resembles the usage of the term racism where people use it in incorrect context.
    Just because the people, who compiled the bill, call it a tax does not make it so.


    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And I see nothing that can't be complied with, and you have not presented anything real that is proposed that can't be.
    I never said it was impossible to comply with, If I did it would make your statement that "it is both a fine and a tax" true.

    That is of course if we throw out the idea that fines are punitive and taxes are for general revenue purposes.
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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Which is a fine and not a tax.

    This resembles the usage of the term racism where people use it in incorrect context.
    Just because the people, who compiled the bill, call it a tax does not make it so.
    If it is paid with your taxes, it's a tax. Again, I understand your definition, but method of payment is also part of this and not just how you look at it.


    I never said it was impossible to comply with, If I did it would make your statement that "it is both a fine and a tax" true.

    That is of course if we throw out the idea that fines are punitive and taxes are for general revenue purposes.
    I have no idea what you are trying to say.

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    If it is paid with your taxes, it's a tax. Again, I understand your definition, but method of payment is also part of this and not just how you look at it.
    I can pay my tax preparation fees with my tax bill, does that make it a tax?

    Are penalties and interest, imposed on delinquent tax payments, also taxes?
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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I can pay my tax preparation fees with my tax bill, does that make it a tax?

    Are penalties and interest, imposed on delinquent tax payments, also taxes?
    No, but if my house is penalized for not having green paint on the roof, and I'm charged a non green roof tax, paid when paying my taxes, it is also a tax.

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