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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    N, not my reasoning. The fact is in this case the fine is a tax. You don't go to the court room and pay a fine, you pay a tax. I can't change what it is.
    A fine can be administered outside of a court room, you still have yet to prove that it is nothing but a fine.

    The only way it can be considered a tax is that the fine must be reoccurring with no chance of compliance.

    "A fine is money paid usually to superior authority, usually governmental authority, as punishment for a crime or other offense."

    Fine (penalty) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    "A tax may be defined as a "pecuniary burden laid upon individuals or property to support the government..."

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    N, not my reasoning. The fact is in this case the fine is a tax. You don't go to the court room and pay a fine, you pay a tax. I can't change what it is.
    I take it you can't name something else that is a tax and a fine?

    No you don't pay a tax to any court room that you go to. You pay fines for breaking the law and a court cost for using up court time (IE a bill).
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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I take it you can't name something else that is a tax and a fine?

    No you don't pay a tax to any court room that you go to. You pay fines for breaking the law and a court cost for using up court time (IE a bill).
    A fine can be considered a tax if compliance to the law is impossible.

    That's about it.
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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I take it you can't name something else that is a tax and a fine?

    No you don't pay a tax to any court room that you go to. You pay fines for breaking the law and a court cost for using up court time (IE a bill).
    Haven't looked. But we do have the present example before us, don't we?

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    A fine can be considered a tax if compliance to the law is impossible.

    That's about it.
    What compliance is impossible?

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Haven't looked. But we do have the present example before us, don't we?
    No we do not. The health care bill has not been made official as of yet. Therefore we need a current example that is official.
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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    What compliance is impossible?
    Setting a speed limit of 0 and issuing fines to everyone who broke the speed limit would be impossible and would essentially be a tax.
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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Setting a speed limit of 0 and issuing fines to everyone who broke the speed limit would be impossible and would essentially be a tax.
    False analogy. That's not equal to what is being done.

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    No we do not. The health care bill has not been made official as of yet. Therefore we need a current example that is official.
    Why? When it is official, will it be different?

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    False analogy. That's not equal to what is being done.
    I never claimed that, you asked "What compliance is impossible?"

    I responded with a fictional situation of impossible compliance.
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