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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    So, do you go to jail for parking in the wrong place? Speeding?
    Both of those can be avoided by simply not speeding or parking in the wrong spot. How can you avoid getting Health insurance if you do not want it or cannot afford it? Apples and oranges.
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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    BTW, as I have already told you before, this is not a tax it is a fine couched in tax terminology designed to create red tape.
    It is a tax and a fine. They are not mutually exclusive.

    But answer the question. If you're going to connect dots in this manner, do it with everything. Any time you don't pay a fine or a tax, jail is possible, and yet we don't argue the penalty for these things is jail. Know why? Because it isn't. Jail is the penalty for refusing to pay your tax, fine, or both.

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It is a tax and a fine. They are not mutually exclusive.

    But answer the question. If you're going to connect dots in this manner, do it with everything. Any time you don't pay a fine or a tax, jail is possible, and yet we don't argue the penalty for these things is jail. Know why? Because it isn't. Jail is the penalty for refusing to pay your tax, fine, or both.
    Since when is a tax a fine? Before this health care bill that is.
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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Since when is a tax a fine? Before this health care bill that is.
    When the fine is a tax.

    I see you're still skipping over the question.

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    When the fine is a tax.

    I see you're still skipping over the question.
    Name something other than this health care bill which is considered both a fine and a tax. Answer this and you may get your answer.
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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Name something other than this health care bill which is considered both a fine and a tax. Answer this and you may get your answer.
    What's wrong with the example we have? It is a 2.5% tax. And it is a fine. You only need one to prove the point.

    But you don't answer because you know I'm correct. Noted.

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    What's wrong with the example we have? It is a 2.5% tax. And it is a fine. You only need one to prove the point.

    But you don't answer because you know I'm correct. Noted.
    It can't be a tax because taxes are not for punitive purposes, fines are meant to punish people for non compliance, by your reasoning every fine is a tax which isn't true.

    A percentage does not make something a tax.
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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    why get caught up in symantics? How about it is a de facto tax, in that it is a cost imposed on individuals by the government.

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It can't be a tax because taxes are not for punitive purposes, fines are meant to punish people for non compliance, by your reasoning every fine is a tax which isn't true.

    A percentage does not make something a tax.
    N, not my reasoning. The fact is in this case the fine is a tax. You don't go to the court room and pay a fine, you pay a tax. I can't change what it is.

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    why get caught up in symantics? How about it is a de facto tax, in that it is a cost imposed on individuals by the government.
    Boo's been playing the semantics game through out this thread. Since he's wants to play it then it's time that it was played on him.

    *gives some popcorn to washunut* sit back and enjoy the ride.
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