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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    You need to go to doctor and get those annual check-ups.
    Not according to the Government....
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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

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    Not according to the Government....
    explain please??

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, you're not following. It isn't about what they can afford, entirely. It is what it costs others. You have it wrong. The legal premise is the same.

    Fifty one.
    I apologize for taking your time. You either have zero concept of constitutional law and this discussion with you is far over you head or you are trolling me. I understand you have Democratic leanings, but that should never be an excuse for destroying the intent of our constitution.

    I require intellectual capacity and honesty. You have displayed neither. Enjoy the thread....
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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucky View Post
    I see no evidence that the other money wasters are primarily from the uninsured.
    Just saw this:

    It is a simple fact that it is the uninsured who are driving up the cost of healthcare for everyone.

    Here are the facts.

    In 2005, there were 44.8 million who had no medical insurance. In 2006, that number had grown to 47 million. Presently, it is estimated that there are 50 million who have no coverage, and that number will rise to over 52 million at the end of 2010.

    As a former director of a hospital emergency department seeing over 50,000 patients annually, I am very aware of how the medical system works.

    Anytime an uninsured person enters a hospital emergency department and registers in, the minute they cross the threshold, the hospital is mandated to (1) evaluate, and (2) make a disposition of the individual.

    That disposition may be to: (1) reassure that no treatment is required; (2) provide appropriate treatment; (3) admit to the facility; or (4) make a referral.

    If the hospital is unwilling to evaluate and make a disposition, it will lose reimbursement from Medicare and Medicaid programs, which is tantamount to financial suicide.

    No matter what the ultimate disposition, the hospital incurs costs that are not reimbursed.

    Hospitals have huge fixed costs which must be covered in order to operate the facility. Also, hospitals must have available resources to constantly be able to invest in new technologies in order to best provide service for those seeking care.

    Thus is set in motion the unrelenting, upward spiral of ever-increasing medical costs.

    1. The uninsured numbers are constantly increasing.
    2. The unreimbursed expenses incurred by hospitals in treating those ever-increasing numbers of the uninsured are constantly increasing.
    3. Hospitals must increase their charges in order to cover the ever-increasing costs of treating the uninsured.
    4. Medical insurance companies must increase the premiums of those they insure in order to pay for the increased hospital charges when their insureds seek treatment.
    5. Each time insurance premiums increase, another portion of the population opts out of carrying insurance. Individuals or companies reach a point, finally, when they can no longer afford insurance, and individual policyholders or employees of companies which drop their benefits enter into the pool of the uninsured.
    6. More uninsured people = increased, unreimbursed hospital costs = increased hospital charges = increased insurance premiums = more uninsured people.... The upward spiral is incessant.

    The pressure created by the ever-increasing number of the uninsured is the driving force behind the ever-increasing cost of medical care in the United States. That force is unrelenting. It can only accelerate. It has created a system which is unsustainable.

    One ER doc's take on what's driving healthcare costs inexorably higher | Opinion L.A. | Los Angeles Times

    Your use of the word primary made me think for a second, can it be significant without being primary? Again, I'm not arguing it is the only problem, but a significant one.
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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    Higher Insurance Premiums for all!!!!
    and to all a good ****ing!!!
    Merry Christmas!!!
    Sounds good to me. What's the problem?

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    explain please??
    Reference to the Government study saying women under 50 do not need to be screened for breast cancer.
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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucky View Post
    Reference to the Government study saying women under 50 do not need to be screened for breast cancer.
    That's more specific than what he's talking about. They do not say no one needs routine physicals or preventive care.

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    So..."Driving" is to "Car Insurance", what "Living" is to "Health Insurance"?

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    For others that may want some added clarity.

    The federal government is now going to force private citizens to buy a commodity. This is a first in American history. Before... every purchase was by choice. It is a very dangerous precedent.

    Why not force citizens to buy guns for homeland protection?

    Why not force citizens to buy electric cars for clean air?

    Why not force citizens to by stopping smoking patches for their own health?

    Why not force citizens to by jogging shoes to stay healthy?

    We should never set the precedent that private citizens are forced to by any private commodity. The government was supposed to answer to us, this is a perverse change that is highly destructive if allowed to happen. For the good of the nation, I hope an honest court receives this case and upholds over 200 years of jurisprudence.
    Last edited by The Truth; 12-24-09 at 01:26 AM.
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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    So..."Driving" is to "Car Insurance", what "Living" is to "Health Insurance"?
    More like the cost of paying for your accident is to car insurance what making others pay for your care is to health insurance.

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